Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Makabreska]

Because they won't keep Dragonriding past Dragonflight, and Dracthyr having soar would make them unfair towards other races in 11.0.

Please. It is almost guaranteed they will expand DR past DF.

[huth]

Druids have instant mount
Warlocks and Hunters have pets
Mages have portals


Unfair advantages, might as well remove those!

Those are Classes, not Races.

[klaps_05]

So much drama about dracthyr flight nerf. if the game conservatively has 2 mil subs or less, a few streamers communities amount to less than 100k in total. its more important that the game and design is per blizzards image, rather than catering to streamers.

Ppl forgetting the game isnt made for them specifically, blizzard has an overarching idea and its better they stick to its plan than to the whims of a few alpha ppl throwing a hissy fit.

[Lady Atia]

since Ion’s quote is leading to that expansions spitting in hundreds of obtainable mounts, it seems i am not one of that „you“ in „…what you want“.

i stopped my mount collectors career while WoD, because the sheer amaount of mounts they spitted into the game killed every fun for me.

I never get that take, sorry. More mounts are always good! I guess it depends on why you collect mounts - for the sake of collecting, or the sake of completionism?

[Therougetitan]

Please. It is almost guaranteed they will expand DR past DF.

Literally no one knows including the deva. Alpha feedback has been positive but they are limited and also only a few weeks. We don't know how the community at large instead of a small sample size will react or how people will feel about it a few months in if it feels old and people just want regular flying again. It may very well continue next expac but claiming it is guaranteed is arrogance.

[Sondrelk]

Those are Classes, not Races.

And at the moment the race and class is one and the same. The talent tree literally includes changes to the racials.

If soar is such a problem by the time Dracthyr can be other classes then just cross that bridge then, by that point they could probably even solve it by letting us Dragonriding anywhere.

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I never get that take, sorry. More mounts are always good! I guess it depends on why you collect mounts - for the sake of collecting, or the sake of completionism?

Variety is good, the number of mounts is just a number.
Unless the reason to want more mounts is to make the 500 mounts collected achievement even easier then I fail to see the point.
The Dragonriding mounts should give far more variety than individual mounts ever could as you can make the perfect mount, rather than just one that is okay.

[Arafal]

Literally no one knows including the deva. Alpha feedback has been positive but they are limited and also only a few weeks. We don't know how the community at large instead of a small sample size will react or how people will feel about it a few months in if it feels old and people just want regular flying again. It may very well continue next expac but claiming it is guaranteed is arrogance.

It's fun, it solves almost all the issues flying has, it turns flying into another content feature for Blizzard to milk.
Dragonriding is absolutely staying.

[Sondrelk]

So much drama about dracthyr flight nerf. if the game conservatively has 2 mil subs or less, a few streamers communities amount to less than 100k in total. its more important that the game and design is per blizzards image, rather than catering to streamers.

Ppl forgetting the game isnt made for them specifically, blizzard has an overarching idea and its better they stick to its plan than to the whims of a few alpha ppl throwing a hissy fit.

The issue is that the nerf is pointless. The argument that it gives an unfair advantage to pet battles and transmog holds basically no substance when stuff like the Druid dreamway portals, or DI Dwarf mole machines are a thing.

It would legitimately have been a better and more sound argument if they nerfed it solely because players were too excited to use it compared to other classes. As in it literally interfered with the Alpha because players were having too much fun.

[Niwes]

I never get that take, sorry. More mounts are always good! I guess it depends on why you collect mounts - for the sake of collecting, or the sake of completionism?

what’s the difference?

since you can’t ride 600 mounts at the same time, what is the difference between collecting and completionism ? don’t get it tbh.

[Lahis]

It's fun, it solves almost all the issues flying has, it turns flying into another content feature for Blizzard to milk.
Dragonriding is absolutely staying.

It can't stay because it will invalidate hundreds of mounts already in the game.

[Makabreska]

It can't stay because it will invalidate hundreds of mounts already in the game.

No, it won't. Worst case scenario - they will keep both DR and normal flying for those weird ones. And hundreds of mounts? We got hundreds of some odd, non winged creatures as flying mounts in-game? I don't think so. If the feature is good (and alpha reports show it is), then removing it would be an incomprehensible shot in the the foot by Blizz.

[Sondrelk]

It can't stay because it will invalidate hundreds of mounts already in the game.

Or they will make other mounts work with it as well. Absolutely no reason to make all older dragon mounts capable of dragonriding, or for that matter any old mount that uses the same skeleton.
Really at this point the only limiting factor are the unique animations.

[Arafal]

Because they won't keep Dragonriding past Dragonflight, and Dracthyr having soar would make them unfair towards other races in 11.0.

Ah yes, faster flying on a 5 minute cooldown such an unfair advantage.

But druids having an instant interactible flying, ground and underwater mount, mages porting across continents via a single spell cast, Death Knights and Palas getting another 20% bonus mount speed in all situations, Shamans having 2 seperate hearthstones is a-ok.

what’s the difference?

One likes the number on the right to match the number on the left, the other just likes to see bigger numbers.

It can't stay because it will invalidate hundreds of mounts already in the game.

More than half the mounts in the game are already invalidated, as flying mounts are functionally superior to every ground mount.
That isn't stopping them from making more grounds mounts, let alone anyone from using them.

Besides, they are not gonna remove hover flight completely anyway.
For one they'd can't just turn off flying on non-dragonriding mounts, and it would serve as an accessibility option.

[Khaza-R]

It can't stay because it will invalidate hundreds of mounts already in the game.

I imagine they would just slowly all get updated as they released new HD versions of mounts. There might be hundreds of mounts at this point but how many unique rigs are there really?

But regardless, its really no different than what flying did to ground mounts. If they didn't remove flying every expansion they would be useless outside of BGs and a handful of instances.

[Niwes]

One likes the number on the right to match the number on the left, the other just likes to see bigger numbers.

ok, that’s a rather good explanation. really. but just on the term per se. but overall, what’s the difference? it’s not that these types of persons are different. if you wanna match 2 numbers or wanna see a number increased has the same effect, reason-wise. imo.

so, yes, in words or diect terms, this is a difference. in reality? not so much. imo.

[klaps_05]

The issue is that the nerf is pointless. The argument that it gives an unfair advantage to pet battles and transmog holds basically no substance when stuff like the Druid dreamway portals, or DI Dwarf mole machines are a thing.

It would legitimately have been a better and more sound argument if they nerfed it solely because players were too excited to use it compared to other classes. As in it literally interfered with the Alpha because players were having too much fun.

While their argumentation was rather poor, it doesnt change the fact that there is no reason for someone to be able to go double the speed of regular mounts.

[Lady Atia]

what’s the difference?

since you can’t ride 600 mounts at the same time, what is the difference between collecting and completionism ? don’t get it tbh.

The difference is that I try to get as many mounts possible, but I won't mind if I can't get all of them (well besides FOMO stuff). Someone who only collects stuff to "be a completionist" may be mad about 50-70 new mounts per patch because they "can't finish their collection easily" which honestly is just weird to me. Hence my initial question - do you collect just to see 100% or do you collect because you enjoy collecting in itself.

[Cosmicpreds]

"It was in the Alpha so it will be added!" is just as an idiotic stance as "They put fake stuff in the Alpha for marketing/to trick people!"

Them removing the Serpent would imo be the dumbest shit ever

[Skildar]

Them removing the Serpent would imo be the dumbest shit ever

they made an entire gorgrond map that was redone completely in WoD. They've made for BfA, an entire inn with lots of small details everywhere and echoes to hearthstone that is nowhere to be found in the game.

Things get removed because it requires a lot of attention, support and work that we don't fully get or feel. I'm not saying that this is the case here, but we don't know and it's always better to accept that it could very well never come to be in the game.

[Sondrelk]

While their argumentation was rather poor, it doesnt change the fact that there is no reason for someone to be able to go double the speed of regular mounts.

It's not double the speed, it's a potential for double the speed, which in itself is ignoring how this is heavily mitigated by the five minute cooldown, the lack of appropriate terrain design in older zones, and the actual skill required to even get close to the max speed consistently.

Compare this to the mole machine, which is a free teleport to a whole bunch of assorted areas, including but not limited to: BlackRock mountain, Tanaris, all the mage teleports, the black temple, Gorgrond, etc.

There were no problems with that racial because players frankly didn't care, simply because while the utility is nice it's hardly all that usefull.

As other players have pointed out, druid flight form is far more egregious in how broken it is, simply in how it gives an instant cast mount.