Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Raetary]

During Legion, the Mage Tower awarded most specs a new weapon appearance, yet players who missed earning those still have countless other admirable weapon transmogs to collect across the whole of the game. But for Guardian druids, the Mage Tower prize was an alternate bear form with a unique silhouette and animations. There is simply nothing else like it in the game. For years, we’ve heard feedback from druid players who are frustrated that something so transformative is no longer available, and we agree.

They did it simply because its a unique model.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

They literally just explained it in their post.

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They won't, it's special case for Bears.

And I’d say the reason they give is kinda bull because there are no other flails in the game and they never brought back the unique cat form from wod.

Making an exception for one spec because it’s unique and ignoring the other unique things that aren't coming back seems nonsensical.

[Makabreska]

And I’d say the reason they give is kinda bull because there are no other flails in the game and they never brought back the unique cat form from wod.

Making an exception for one spec because it’s unique and ignoring the other unique things that aren't coming back seems nonsensical.

No it's not, you just don't like their explanation. WoD cat form was not from Mage tower, so it makes no sense bringing it here and flail is just a weapon, not entire form. They could give us nothing back, like they promised in the past, but gave extra bear form as a bonus. Yet it instantly became a problem for some. Srsly people.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

No it's not, you just don't like their explanation. WoD cat form was not from Mage tower, so it makes no sense bringing it here and flail is just a weapon, not entire form.They could give us nothing like they promised in the past, but gave extra bear form. Yet it instantly became a problem for some. Srsly people.

They don’t need to add the cat form to the mage tower to bring it back there’s no reason they can’t just add it in as a glyph in 9.1.5. it’s just odd that they say the bear from is coming back because it’s a unique silhouette people have been asking for but leave out the cat which is in the exact same boat.

[Dracullus]

Just from my memory and quick look at post, I think fastest way to get everything would be this:

- Warrior - Fury - Agatha (1)
- Hunter - BM - Worm (2)
- Shaman - Resto - Blackrook (3)
- Paladin - Retri - Queen (4)
- Rogue - Outlaw - Agatha
- Mage - Fire - Agatha
- Druid - Guardian - Kruul (5)
- Priest - Disc - Worm
- Warlock - Affliction - Twins (6)
- Monk - Windwalker - Worm
- DK - Unholy - Agatha
- DH - Havoc - Xylem (7)

They did it simply because its a unique model.

Flail for Protection(s) are unique as well, but I guess this can be reintroduced any patch, like Outlaw MT smallsword.

[[Apok]]

I don’t get it why bring back werebear but nothing else if your going to break the unavailability for bears why not just give all of them a fel re colour.

It's blizzard they walk back decisions all the time and also make idiotic ones all the time.

Like giving rbg's vanilla pvp titles, that didnt seem to devalue anyones accomplishments.

[Nagawithlegs]

Looking forward to redoing the MT, and i’ll be doing the tank and heals ones for the first time. From what I remember, Ret, BM and Fury were facerolls.

[Rootsbum]

I even mained a mechagnome from when they released til about 2 months ago and forgot they even existed, and that says something lol

[Aeluron Lightsong]

It's blizzard they walk back decisions all the time and also make idiotic ones all the time.

Like giving rbg's vanilla pvp titles, that didnt seem to devalue anyones accomplishments.

People change their minds over time. Its not rocket science.

[Sondrelk]

They don’t need to add the cat form to the mage tower to bring it back there’s no reason they can’t just add it in as a glyph in 9.1.5. it’s just odd that they say the bear from is coming back because it’s a unique silhouette people have been asking for but leave out the cat which is in the exact same boat.

The cat silhouette is unique to the artifact as a whole. All of them are sabertoothed tigers, the Mage tower is just unique in that it is a ghostly version.
For Guardian druid though the mage tower appearance is a unique model, distinct from the usual artifact model.

[Cosmic Janitor]

Just from my memory and quick look at post, I think fastest way to get everything would be this:

- Warrior - Fury - Agatha (1)
- Hunter - BM - Worm (2)
- Shaman - Resto - Blackrook (3)
- Paladin - Retri - Queen (4)
- Rogue - Outlaw - Agatha
- Mage - Fire - Agatha
- Druid - Guardian - Kruul (5)
- Priest - Disc - Worm
- Warlock - Affliction - Twins (6)
- Monk - Windwalker - Worm
- DK - Unholy - Agatha
- DH - Havoc - Xylem (7)

Sounds reasonable, would be my prefered choice as well I guess. Though I practically only care about the cloth sets, warrior, dh, the bear for druids and maybe paladin for now. I don't think the sets overall have as much of an appeal as the weapons had. I certainly won't be racing to get the ultra fugly oven-knight set for my DK. I'd rather have had them redo the abwsome looking set from Emerald Nightmare/Nighthold. :/

I just have to wonder about the balancing, as stuff like fire is nowhere near as potent for small scale AoE as it was in legion with the way phoenix and ignite spread works now.

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The cat silhouette is unique to the artifact as a whole. All of them are sabertoothed tigers, the Mage tower is just unique in that it is a ghostly version.
For Guardian druid though the mage tower appearance is a unique model, distinct from the usual artifact model.

I don't know man, it wasn't just ghostly, it was fucking neon with colored mist spraying all around you. It's certainly alot more flashy than the other forms and makes you look like Elune herself gave you a make-over.

[Dracullus]

I just have to wonder about the balancing, as stuff like fire is nowhere near as potent for small scale AoE as it was in legion with the way phoenix and ignite spread works now.

I hope gear will be scalled like usual in Timewalking, imagine combo with THREE different legendaries. Maybe my list will go straight to trash cause some combo will just cheese some fight.

[Sondrelk]

I don't know man, it wasn't just ghostly, it was fucking neon with colored mist spraying all around you. It's certainly alot more flashy than the other forms and makes you look like Elune herself gave you a make-over.

It's damn cool, and it's easily recognizable. Point is more that it's still just a sabertoothed tiger that uses the usual cat form animations. The bear form yo uget from the mage tower however is entirely unique. There is absolutely no way of getting that same appearance or even anything similar with the tools available currently.

[Cosmic Janitor]

I hope gear will be scalled like usual in Timewalking, imagine combo with THREE different legendaries. Maybe my list will go straight to trash cause some combo will just cheese some fight.

Well not all classes actually benefit from their legenaries still, BfA did a real number on many interactions. I'd need to check for some of them first tbh, but you are right, being able to wear various legendary items might make a huge difference here.

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It's damn cool, and it's easily recognizable. Point is more that it's still just a sabertoothed tiger that uses the usual cat form animations. The bear form yo uget from the mage tower however is entirely unique. There is absolutely no way of getting that same appearance or even anything similar with the tools available currently.

I guess I just don't value being roidbear as much as I'd value turning into a living disco. :P

[Raetary]

I hope gear will be scalled like usual in Timewalking, imagine combo with THREE different legendaries. Maybe my list will go straight to trash cause some combo will just cheese some fight.

I very much doubt Blizzard is gonna let us use legion leggo effects in M+.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

The cat silhouette is unique to the artifact as a whole. All of them are sabertoothed tigers, the Mage tower is just unique in that it is a ghostly version.
For Guardian druid though the mage tower appearance is a unique model, distinct from the usual artifact model.

I'm talking about the claws of Shirvallah Not the mage tower cat.

[Nagawithlegs]

So, today in the Maw, Winslow Swan the Maldraxxi bard made me realize something... why don't more people expect Bard as a class? They keep adding musical instrument animations over time (I know harp and lute are used this expansion, there's flute animations and also accordion) and it also is a very "grounded" class that can fit in any expansion.

[Sondrelk]

So, today in the Maw, Winslow Swan the Maldraxxi bard made me realize something... why don't more people expect Bard as a class? They keep adding musical instrument animations over time (I know harp and lute are used this expansion, there's flute animations and also accordion) and it also is a very "grounded" class that can fit in any expansion.

Because the base fantasy of a bard is one that buffs other characters, and the playstyle in WoW simply doesnt have room for a class whose main draw is buffing others without it either becoming mandatory or useless.

More importantly though, there are no important NPCs that truly embody the Bard class fantasy outside either bit characters like Winslow Swan, or joke characters like the ETC band.
Compare this to Tinker that has a firm and solid basis as a class in WoW with a myriad of Gnome and Goblin tinkerers in mechsuits, including a recent boss fight against Mekkatorque. Bard simply doesnt have that, so arguing for its inclusion is more on what kind of class is part of classic DnD metaculture more than what class do people want to play in WoW.

[Slowpoke is a Gamer]

Also because we already got Bard once.

It was an April Fools joke years ago and Blizz never followed up on that with a "but wait we could actually make this a thing."

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Also, PTR update?

[therumblings]

So, today in the Maw, Winslow Swan the Maldraxxi bard made me realize something... why don't more people expect Bard as a class? They keep adding musical instrument animations over time (I know harp and lute are used this expansion, there's flute animations and also accordion) and it also is a very "grounded" class that can fit in any expansion.

I noticed this as well, pretty much every zone has an abundance of music and musical instruments in SL.