Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Hellspawn]

Ion said they bring back Tiersets in 9.2.
Azerite gear was already tiersets 2.0

[Nyel]

Ion said they bring back Tiersets in 9.2.

That statement is half a year old by now though.

[Hellspawn]

That statement is half a year old by now though.

Just like every statement we have regarding 9.2

[draugril]

Just like every statement we have regarding 9.2

[Tiradon]

Just like every statement we have regarding 9.2

True I find it hard to believe we know nothing about it and that .5 patches don't even move the story forward anymore.

[Sondrelk]

At this point I really wouldn't expect them to bring in just one tier set for Shadowlands. I'd expect something middle of the road between tier sets and corrupted / domination shards whatever, until tier sets make their glorious return in the next expansion.

I am not sure how you would make tiersets return without immediately getting an outcry against forced gearslots like what we had for Domination Sockets.
I guess maybe it will kinda blow over since you tended to want 5 domination socket items, whereas you only want 4 Tier set pieces. However you could be damn sure the players wouldnt let Blizzard get away with simply readding a feature players wanted back.

[Nyel]

I am not sure how you would make tiersets return without immediately getting an outcry against forced gearslots like what we had for Domination Sockets.
I guess maybe it will kinda blow over since you tended to want 5 domination socket items, whereas you only want 4 Tier set pieces. However you could be damn sure the players wouldnt let Blizzard get away with simply readding a feature players wanted back.

What if... tier sets are the main progression feature of the next expansion? It's class related, it has its own visuals and it could totally work in the line of artifact weapons x Azerite gear.

[Sondrelk]

What if... tier sets are the main progression feature of the next expansion? It's class related, it has its own visuals and it could totally work in the line of artifact weapons x Azerite gear.

How though exactly?
Tier sets are iconic because of how they change subtle things about how a class or spec functions from raid to raid, not sure how you could do the same for an expansion wide feature.

[Nyel]

How though exactly?
Tier sets are iconic because of how they change subtle things about how a class or spec functions from raid to raid, not sure how you could do the same for an expansion wide feature.

In the same style as artifact weapons, but this time you get a class specific tier set. They would have to revamp looting (aka no armor drops as there were no weapon drops in Legion), but this isn't a problem at all, it would even solve a lot of the looting issues we've experienced since Legion. Removal of master loot would facilitate this as well. The tier set has different visual designs and with each new raid tier there are new ones added, akin to artifacts in Legion. Special activities give you special skins. You could have major and minor tier sockets, e.g. chest / helmet and legs give you major sockets, gloves, braces, belts and shoulders give you minor sockets. Minor sockets are like minor artifact traits, major ones are like conduits from Shadowlands or the gold dragon traits from artifact weapons. Each content patch adds new traits on top of that. I mean it's basically artifact armor.

[Raetary]

No thanks.
Locking out 9 whole slots is too much.

[Sondrelk]

In the same style as artifact weapons, but this time you get a class specific tier set. They would have to revamp looting (aka no armor drops as there were no weapon drops in Legion), but this isn't a problem at all, it would even solve a lot of the looting issues we've experienced since Legion. Removal of master loot would facilitate this as well. The tier set has different visual designs and with each new raid tier there are new ones added, akin to artifacts in Legion. Special activities give you special skins. You could have major and minor tier sockets, e.g. chest / helmet and legs give you major sockets, gloves, braces, belts and shoulders give you minor sockets. Minor sockets are like minor artifact traits, major ones are like conduits from Shadowlands or the gold dragon traits from artifact weapons. Each content patch adds new traits on top of that. I mean it's basically artifact armor.

I guess that could in theory work, i guess at a stretch it would also not have the same problem as Legion did with being restricted to a total of 6 unique weapons for the entire expansion, given you only played a single spec of course.
Tier sets are great and all, but what transmog lovers like me really love is mixing stuff to make something new, so you would still need a variety of appearances available to everyone, and not just class specific ones.

In theory i love the idea though, especially if it gives a more balanced version of the Legion artifact talent tree. Just think it would need some rethinks in regards to non-class themed sets.

[Makorus]

In the same style as artifact weapons, but this time you get a class specific tier set. They would have to revamp looting (aka no armor drops as there were no weapon drops in Legion), but this isn't a problem at all, it would even solve a lot of the looting issues we've experienced since Legion. Removal of master loot would facilitate this as well. The tier set has different visual designs and with each new raid tier there are new ones added, akin to artifacts in Legion. Special activities give you special skins. You could have major and minor tier sockets, e.g. chest / helmet and legs give you major sockets, gloves, braces, belts and shoulders give you minor sockets. Minor sockets are like minor artifact traits, major ones are like conduits from Shadowlands or the gold dragon traits from artifact weapons. Each content patch adds new traits on top of that. I mean it's basically artifact armor.

Honestly, something like an Artifact Trinket would be quite cool.

Pretty much a combination of the Heart, the Artifact Weapon and Tier Sets.

[Ersula]

How is the premise of 9.2 NOT well telegraphed at this point?

The story will be as follows: Sylvanas and Primus craft some new macguffin to replace Arbiter's sigil, we open to portal to Zereth Mortis and follow Jailer there. In the Sepulcher of the First Ones raid we will stop Jailer from destroying the universe and free Anduin. Patch might include some Light themed B-plot to introduce Light as the enemy for next expansion.

Unless they actually do something surprising: If everything gets wrapped up nicely, yes, sure. But if the conclusion sets up the next expansion, the expansion reveal would spoil that: For example, The Sylvanas Loyalist Cutscene (8.2.5) actually set up the next expansion more than anything in 8.3. But in Shadowlands there are *SO MANY* unresolved plotpoints.

Basically if the next expansion literally comes out of nowhere, they can just reveal it at any point. Maybe gamescom.

But if like the last 3 expansions, the next expansion's premise is the direct consequence of the events of this one, they'll likely hold off on the reveal until february. For example, what if we beat the jailer but Anduin still manages to remake the shadowlands? Or what if any major characters die? If it is a light expansion the reveal trailer would probably show Turalyon as the new king of Stormwind. Spoilers abound.

[Slowpoke is a Gamer]

So I rolled an undead to see just how badly fucked up the Cata zones are at this point VS Classic and VS newer expansions.

In the first 3 levels I've been re-taught about an event no longer in the game (the Wrath Gate) and twice had to escort an annoying NPC around instead of just playing the damn game.

Like I knew 1-60 needed a revamp again but I forgot just how bad, and frankly outdated, some of these experiences are.

[Ersula]

In the first 3 levels I've been re-taught about an event no longer in the game (the Wrath Gate) and twice had to escort an annoying NPC around instead of just playing the damn game.

I still don't understand why they got rid of the actual wrathgate scenario. Clearly some people still need it because Afrasbi's comments last year made it seem like he didn't even understand the premise of a Varimathras coup

[Raetary]

Pretty sure you can still do the Wrathgate questline.

It's the battle for undercity that's not availble anymore.

[Ersula]

Pretty sure you can still do the Wrathgate questline.

It's the battle for undercity that's not availble anymore.

I think it was pretty clear that's what I was talking about when I wrote "wrath gate scenario" not the questline

[Slowpoke is a Gamer]

I still don't understand why they got rid of the actual wrathgate scenario. Clearly some people still need it because Afrasbi's comments last year made it seem like he didn't even understand the premise of a Varimathras coup

For an expansion about the guy that actually leads the Nathrezim you'd have thought that coup would have been a bigger deal.

Same goes for back during Legion.

Instead it's entirely forgotten except for the Undead opening cinematic.

[Raetary]

I think it was pretty clear that's what I was talking about when I wrote "wrath gate scenario" not the questline

Ok?
If you haven't noticed, i wasn't quoting you, i made a general statement because i saw people mention the removal of wrathgate.

[Nyel]

Unless they actually do something surprising: If everything gets wrapped up nicely, yes, sure. But if the conclusion sets up the next expansion, the expansion reveal would spoil that: For example, The Sylvanas Loyalist Cutscene (8.2.5) actually set up the next expansion more than anything in 8.3. But in Shadowlands there are *SO MANY* unresolved plotpoints.

Basically if the next expansion literally comes out of nowhere, they can just reveal it at any point. Maybe gamescom.

But if like the last 3 expansions, the next expansion's premise is the direct consequence of the events of this one, they'll likely hold off on the reveal until february. For example, what if we beat the jailer but Anduin still manages to remake the shadowlands? Or what if any major characters die? If it is a light expansion the reveal trailer would probably show Turalyon as the new king of Stormwind. Spoilers abound.

Was Legion really teased? I mean sure, after HFC we got the Archimonde / Gul'dan stuff, but what happened in Legion was pretty out of nowhere (yes, we knew about the Legion coming, but Broken Isles, Suramar etc.? It was freakin amazing).