Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Lorgar Aurelian]

It kind of does.. it has always been a hostile power and one that acted directly against other nations. I like the trolls they are pretty much the only character race beyond gnomes and goblins that act in their own self interests. I am jot going to pretend they are noble or simple neutral parties though.

The zandalari as a kingdom have never actually been a hostile power to the alliance. In classic they were friendly and helped deal with ZG and wrath they helped deal with ZD.

Only Zul’s exiled faction has ever been at odd with the alliance both in cata and mop and they didn’t represent the kingdom as they were in exile and there actions went against the will of the kingdom as we see in zandalari when the mogu show up saying there in charge and get beaten out.

[Slowpoke is a Gamer]

Anyway crazy idea.

What if we're reading too deep into "Living" as in the Cosmic Force Life and not as much into the idea of "Living" as in evolving and changing. Like what if "Living World" is meant to imply that the "world" (EK/Kalimdor let's be honest) is going to evolve over time on a larger scale. Like it'll have actual seasonal changes or something.

[Postmasters]

The zandalari as a kingdom have never actually been a hostile power to the alliance. In classic they were friendly and helped deal with ZG and wrath they helped deal with ZD.

Only Zul’s exiled faction has ever been at odd with the alliance both in cata and mop and they didn’t represent the kingdom as they were in exile and there actions went against the will of the kingdom as we see in zandalari when the mogu show up saying there in charge and get beaten out.

I might of read extra back story into it that wasn't there... I assumed the two biggest sea faring powers in lore that live next door to each other would of interacted with one another... I know with blizzard story telling that isnt a given but still...

[Lorgar Aurelian]

I might of read extra back story into it that wasn't there... I assumed the two biggest sea faring powers in lore that live next door to each other would of interacted with one another... I know with blizzard story telling that isnt a given but still...

If you mean the kul tirans then there might have some bad blood though nothing comes to mind but that wouldn’t count as alliance again until BFA.

As far as actual alliance interactions they would be neutral at worse allying in times of need like ZG/ZD. With zul’s exiled faction always being hostile starting in cata.

[ChairmanKaga]

So much this. Especially given Turalyon is at the helm of Stormwind and I don't think anyone here has any misconception about it, he's going to betray us all to the Light when it shows up.

That yellow eyed junkie? No way.

[Varodoc]

Turalyon is not becoming a villain. He'll be the Magni and Bolvar of the expansion about the Lightbound.

[Slowpoke is a Gamer]

Turalyon is not becoming a villain. He'll be the Magni and Bolvar of the expansion about the Lightbound.

You say that but I'll point you to Il'gynoth.

The golden one claims a vacant throne. The crown of light will bring only darkness.

[ChairmanKaga]

Whatever happened to Nathanos since his death in the pre-patch? Did I miss him in the Maw?

[Varodoc]

You say that but I'll point you to Il'gynoth.

And I'll point you to Calia and the throne of Lordaeron.

Also the throne of Stormwind is legally not vacant. Anduin is still King. Turalyon is his Regent.

[Kiivar86]

You say that but I'll point you to Il'gynoth.

Old God lines like this are purposefully vague so you can take it any number of ways. Further it doesn't indicate that the person will be villainous, only that it will bring darkness. That could mean any number of things.

Whatever happened to Nathanos since his death in the pre-patch? Did I miss him in the Maw?

Tyrande taunted Sylvanas with his death, and Sylvanas was surprised. Tyrande further taunted her with how the Jailer kept her unaware of it.

That's it.

[Raetary]

Whatever happened to Nathanos since his death in the pre-patch? Did I miss him in the Maw?

He's unused as of yet.
The last time we heard from him was when Tyrande mentioned his death in her fight against Sylvanas.

He's somewhere hidden in the Maw, that's it.

[ChairmanKaga]

Tyrande taunted Sylvanas with his death, and Sylvanas was surprised. Tyrande further taunted her with how the Jailer kept her unaware of it.

That's it.

He's unused as of yet.
The last time we heard from him was when Tyrande mentioned his death in her fight against Sylvanas.

He's somewhere hidden in the Maw, that's it.

I assume he'll reappear before the end of the expansion then. Probably not happy about Sylvanas' change of heart (also her getting her soul back etc).

[Cosmic Janitor]

Whatever happened to Nathanos since his death in the pre-patch? Did I miss him in the Maw?

Probably forged into a buttplug.

Jokes aside, it's assumed that he was turned into a crystal like many of the other souls. He could have been used during the forging of Anduin's mourneblade or gimp suit.

[draugril]

You say that but I'll point you to Il'gynoth.

You can read that multiple ways. It could be Calia claiming Lordaeron. It could be Turalyon championing the Void via his baby mama. I mean, surely Blizzard wouldn't write a prediction that is actually realized in the most blatantly obvious way. Right?

[Makabreska]

The problem with Anduins character is that they can never make him be actually successful in something he does or else the fanbase will cry that he is a mary sue, ignoring the fact that he has a track record of nothing.

Do you really think writers care about these kind of bullshit accusations?

[Makorus]

Do you really think writers care about these kind of bullshit accusations?

Writers care too much about what the mouthbreathing majority of the fanbase thinks, sadly, and they do let them influence the story direction instead of going for their visions in some capacity.

[Makabreska]

And I'll point you to Calia and the throne of Lordaeron.

Also the throne of Stormwind is legally not vacant. Anduin is still King. Turalyon is his Regent.

Well, right now Anduin is stuck in another dimension under control of the enemy, and who knows what happens later.

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Writers care too much about what the mouthbreathing majority of the fanbase thinks, sadly, and they do let them influence the story direction instead of going for their visions in some capacity.

M'kay, nice take.

[Cosmic Janitor]

Writers care too much about what the mouthbreathing majority of the fanbase thinks, sadly, and they do let them influence the story direction instead of going for their visions in some capacity.

Lol since when do WoW writers care? They certainly didn't give a toss when most people told them they are sick of Slyvanas.

[Teriz]

You can read that multiple ways. It could be Calia claiming Lordaeron. It could be Turalyon championing the Void via his baby mama. I mean, surely Blizzard wouldn't write a prediction that is actually realized in the most blatantly obvious way. Right?

Turalyon is WAY more of a symbol of the light than Calia is. Further, he is considered a legendary hero among the people of Stormwind, and one of the most revered and honored Paladins in lore. Hell, Turalyon was legendary even before WoW began.

That also makes him far more dangerous if he decides to go against Anduin, because you could very easily see scores of the Alliance's soldiers and Paladins joining him.

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Not sure many people "like" it, but that's the narrative. Idk why you think battling Light and Shadow is such a problem, considering we're literally in the Cosmic Realms of Death this expac, and are battling against a being whose existence goes against the balance between not just Life and Death, but the entire Cosmos as a whole.

Because people are playing WORLD of Warcraft, not Universe of Warcraft. Yeah, venturing to other realms and dimensions is okay in moderation. However, people are drawn to Azeroth itself, and that's where the 99% of the story should be taking place. We shouldn't be planet-hopping from world to world punching literal gods in the face.

Also an expansion dealing with the Light and Dark really makes no sense. What's the end game? We defeat Shadow Lord, master of all Shadow magic? We going to be taking down the creator of literal gods now? Okay cool! So what do we do in the expansion after that? How do you top that big bad? We going to fight reality next?

Again, it's like a Star Wars story where we fight the literal Dark Side of the force and punch it in the face.

[Makabreska]

Also an expansion dealing with the Light and Dark really makes no sense. What's the end game? We defeat Shadow Lord, master of all Shadow magic? We going to be taking down the creator of literal gods now? Okay cool! So what do we do in the expansion after that? How do you top that big bad? We going to fight reality next?

Again, it's like a Star Wars story where we fight the literal Dark Side of the force and punch it in the face.

That's a non issue. Burning Crusade final boss was Legion second in command. We needed another xpac to take down Sarg. Light vs Dark can simply be us against mostly Light, for example. So Naaru and their zealots. That would easily fill most of enemy roster. No one says they have to immediately present biggest and baddest guy for us to defeat.