Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Varolyn]

You could make the argument that tinkers will indeed come in the next expansion, but the Winter Veil toys this year being a "clue" would not be a strong argument. There have been dozens of tinker-like toys coming from the Winter Veil over the years, so I don't see why these new toys would suddenly be a hint for tinkers. And if tinkers do indeed come in the next expansion, the Winter Veil toys will be more of a coincidence than a clue.

[huth]

Also I don't see how the Christmas toy indicates Tinkers at all. We've had remote controlled toys for years now.

Especially one that is a clear reference to an old pre-WarCraft Blizzard game. I guess these people would claim a Lost Vikings toy hints at a Northrend revamp.

[Syegfryed]

Especially one that is a clear reference to an old pre-WarCraft Blizzard game. I guess these people would claim a Lost Vikings toy hints at a Northrend revamp.

since vanila everything that blizzard did people screamed it was a hint for high elves playable race to alliance, to this very day they still believe that, this at least have some dots, like mechanic stuff.

[username993720]

Oh yes they are. Undermine will be the new oribos and provides transport to titan hidden dragon isles. Mark my words.

But, Oribos is boring.
Why ruin a potentially interesting place?

Anything is possible but at the same time it reminds me of people going "well we're going to the afterlife so what's the best thing to counter the dead? Machines!" logic that some people had pre-Shadowlands announcement.

Yes, they try to connect technology to everything. Problem is, this time they have.

[Chickat]

That thing was posted weeks ago and was debunked then.

Also I don't see how the Christmas toy indicates Tinkers at all. We've had remote controlled toys for years now.



Anything is possible but at the same time it reminds me of people going "well we're going to the afterlife so what's the best thing to counter the dead? Machines!" logic that some people had pre-Shadowlands announcement.

Yeah, the tinkers people are almost as bad as the high elf people were. I wouldn't be opposed to them, but they have been shoved in my face so much, I almost want them to never happen because I'm annoyed.

[Raetary]

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This was posted before, its fake.

[Makabreska]

This year has been pretty wild in terms of fixated people seeing all matter of stuff in next expansion. Void, Light, Tinkers, Sylvi, High Elves (yo we got em, kay?) revamp or no revamp. Is this pandemic isolation effect?

[Revamp Man]

That thing was posted weeks ago and was debunked then.

Also I don't see how the Christmas toy indicates Tinkers at all. We've had remote controlled toys for years now.



Anything is possible but at the same time it reminds me of people going "well we're going to the afterlife so what's the best thing to counter the dead? Machines!" logic that some people had pre-Shadowlands announcement.

The 300 pages of “ghostbusters is far more logical than a necromancer because reasons”

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The problem is that Blizzard has never established the existence of such a class. Monks, Death Knights, and Demon Hunters were well established in the lore before they appeared as a class.

While Blizzard could certainly break this trend, it would be odd for them to do so. If anything, there may not be a new class at all next expansion.

They exist
https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Dragonsworn

They might not be a class in game (which makes sense given the fact dragons are kinda screwed right now) but they exist

The writers and devs have made more from less and while I could engage in a conversation that would span hundreds of pages I prefer to leave it at “dragonsworn exist and are a possibility without any kind of weird pseudo-race components in the opinion of myself and others.”

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After actually reading that article I’m fairly certain that the class will be from Wrathion’s talon guard

[Lahis]

Honestly, revamp Azeroth as a standalone feature between now and 10.0.

Then let future expansions be annual instead, a bit smaller in scale but more impactful. The two year cycle hasn't worked well for a while anyway, since patches are in such a rubbish state.

10.0 in November 2022, giving us the Dragon Isles.
11.0 in November 2023, giving us the Great Caves.
12.0 in November 2024, giving us the Other Side of Azeroth.

And so on.

A yearly cycle, like in Hearthstone and ESO.

The year begins with a systems patch and large content drop, featuring new zones and any potential classes and so on. A few weeks later, after New Year's Eve, you get a raid. Then it escalates in the spring with a dungeon and some quests, before culminating in the early autumn with a new raid. So two raids a year basically.

I think they'd increase revenue and sub numbers this way, because there's less of a lull without a second year of an expansion, and the story moves at a faster pace. The general theme of the current lore will change more regularly as well, so it'll be interesting to tag along for that. They could offer the base content free but let players buy annual digital expansion passes as well, for some digital perks to go along with the new theme.

They tried to push Annual Expansions in WoD and that went horribly wrong. All we got was expansion with little content and 14 month gap between last patch and Legion.

[huth]

They tried to push Annual Expansions in WoD and that went horribly wrong. All we got was expansion with little content and 14 month gap between last patch and Legion.

If they proved anything, it's that they absolutely cannot do shorter than ~2 years. Notably, they also stopped talking about wanting 1 year expansions after WoD.

[Teriz]

They exist
https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Dragonsworn

They might not be a class in game (which makes sense given the fact dragons are kinda screwed right now) but they exist

The writers and devs have made more from less and while I could engage in a conversation that would span hundreds of pages I prefer to leave it at “dragonsworn exist and are a possibility without any kind of weird pseudo-race components in the opinion of myself and others.”

They're not only not a class in WoW, there was never a hero unit in WC3, and there's no hero character to attach them to in Warcraft period. In fact, if you actually read that entry, the Dragonsworn from the TTRPG are nothing more than Mages or Druids with a couple of additional dragon derived powers. Frankly, no different than the necromancy-derived Covenants in Shadowlands.

I think we should strongly consider the possibility that we'd be looking at a dragon-themed Covenant style system in a dragon-based expansion over a dragon-themed class.

[username993720]

They're not only not a class in WoW, there was never a hero unit in WC3, and there's no hero character to attach them to in Warcraft period. In fact, if you actually read that entry, the Dragonsworn from the TTRPG are nothing more than Mages or Druids with a couple of additional dragon derived powers. Frankly, no different than the necromancy-derived Covenants in Shadowlands.

I think we should strongly consider the possibility that we'd be looking at a dragon-themed Covenant style system in a dragon-based expansion over a dragon-themed class.

Damn... you flipped faster than a steak.

[Teriz]

Damn... you flipped faster than a steak.

I'm merely looking at the most likely scenario. Since there's pretty much zero evidence of a "dragon knight" class, and it is unlikely that Blizzard would implement a class based on Wrathion and the aspects, the most likely scenario in a dragon-based expansion is a covenant-style system where each class gets 2-4 dragon abilities for an expansion. I wouldn't put it past Blizzard to literally call the system "Dragonsworn".

There is always the possibility that Dragon Isles is merely a part of the expansion, and not its entirety. If that is the case, then that opens things up for the possibility of a new class.

[bagina]

I don't get one thing about tinker enthusiasts. If you put a character in a mech suit what will become of normal armor and weapons? Will they still be wearing armor and using weapons? Not a single WoW class relies on a weapon to be that class, weapons don't make a class. While all tinker is just the mech suit.

[therumblings]

I don't get one thing about tinker enthusiasts. If you put a character in a mech suit what will become of normal armor and weapons? Will they still be wearing armor and using weapons? Not a single WoW class relies on a weapon to be that class, weapons don't make a class. While all tinker is just the mech suit.

You're assuming Tinkers would be in the mech suit constantly, instead of a metamorphosis-like ability. Also, only DHs can use Warglaives. And I personally wouldn't care if Tinkers never got added, I'm not a big fan, but Tinker and Dragonsworn are both pretty likely I think, moreso than something like a Bard or Blademaster.

[bagina]

You're assuming Tinkers would be in the mech suit constantly, instead of a metamorphosis-like ability. Also, only DHs can use Warglaives. And I personally wouldn't care if Tinkers never got added, I'm not a big fan, but Tinker and Dragonsworn are both pretty likely I think, moreso than something like a Bard or Blademaster.

Yeah but DHs can also use other weapons. Point is, warglaives don't make them DHs.

[therumblings]

Yeah but DHs can also use other weapons. Point is, warglaives don't make them DHs.

Well, neither would Tinkers. They could probably dual wield one handers like rogues and use them as stat sticks, like these Mechagon weapons, and maybe use guns depending on the spec.

[username993720]

I'm merely looking at the most likely scenario. Since there's pretty much zero evidence of a "dragon knight" class, and it is unlikely that Blizzard would implement a class based on Wrathion and the aspects, the most likely scenario in a dragon-based expansion is a covenant-style system where each class gets 2-4 dragon abilities for an expansion. I wouldn't put it past Blizzard to literally call the system "Dragonsworn".

There is always the possibility that Dragon Isles is merely a part of the expansion, and not its entirety. If that is the case, then that opens things up for the possibility of a new class.

Says the guy who argued with me, a few days ago, for such a class.
When did you change your mind, exactly?

[Teriz]

I don't get one thing about tinker enthusiasts. If you put a character in a mech suit what will become of normal armor and weapons? Will they still be wearing armor and using weapons? Not a single WoW class relies on a weapon to be that class, weapons don't make a class. While all tinker is just the mech suit.

How would it be any different than Guardian, Feral, or Balance druids who depend on their forms to perform their combat role? A Tinker inside a mech would be the same general principle. As for their weapons and armor, it would just be translated into stats just like is the case with Druids. The main difference between the two would be that a mech offers different gameplay options than shapeshifting.

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Says the guy who argued with me, a few days ago, for such a class.
When did you change your mind, exactly?

Yes, I still support the Dragonsworn class in my signature. I'm merely saying that if we're basing things on sheer likelihood, Blizzard is more likely to create a dragon-based covenant system instead.

[Revamp Man]

Says the guy who argued with me, a few days ago, for such a class.
When did you change your mind, exactly?

If it’s not a dragon disguised as a mortal race then it doesn’t exist to him