Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[pacotaco]

I would love to read everyone's theories on where Medivh is right now, and why/how he is/or isn't aware/getting involved with Zovaal's plan that threatens Azeroth.

His last words to us were seemingly pretty clearly about the portal to Argus,
"It may be simpler to shut a door than to pass through it, but sometimes a step into the unknown is required to break the bonds of fate. There is much that lies ahead for all of us."

Fate has been more prominent as a concept in Shadowlands than other expansions, and Medivh is even a character who has transcended Death, it seems.
He is still around somehow right? That was the implication at the end of that patch?

We can ask the same question about Khadgar. Surely he's gotta be concerned about Zovaal.
Even though SL is drawing near it's finale and there's no sign of him, there's some chance one of the two could appear in those lengthy cutscenes and cinematics encrypted.

Maybe, being posessed by Sargeras before being born made him get a demon soul like Illidan, and when he died, his demon soul managed to come back to his corpse.

[username993720]

Actually I have.

If you had, you'd know not to ignore certain aspects and accentuate others to extreme.

You should ask yourself why would a bow be part of a logo dealing with old gods and dragons? Nothing Elven related has that level of connection with those themes. Again, every WoW logo has those curves on its edge and a point in the center. Obviously a more streamlined design would give the appearance of a bow. However if you actually look at bows, you'll quickly realize it doesn't resemble one. Further, the metallic nature of the entire border and the lettering has nothing to do with any known elven or bow theme.

Night elves and Dragons go a long way back.

We're talking about the current story from which this expansion would be operating from, not the running theme of the entire franchise.

Then, why mention them like they're something new?

Like I said before, if you have another theme that matches the Old Gods, the Dragonflights, and the metallics in that border, please share.

If we're talking about Old Gods and Dragonflights, then there are the elements which appeared heavily in Cataclysm.

If we're talking about the font, then it has nothing titanic in particular. If you're looking for Titanic involvement, there could definitely be some, as a Titanic Homeworld expansion is due.

[Shadochi]

Oh yeah I forgot about Medivh still being arround, and isn't it from Kara attunement that he also hinted about being able to see into the future?

Still waiting to see him come back.

Oh man I really would like a series of single player Warcraft story driven RPG games. This randomly crossed my mind.

[Raetary]

They are totally gonna involve Medivh in First Ones shenanigans.

[Teriz]

If you had, you'd know not to ignore certain aspects and accentuate others to extreme.

So none of the other themes in that logo matter because you think you see a bow?

Night elves and Dragons go a long way back.

Explain.

If we're talking about Old Gods and Dragonflights, then there are the elements which appeared heavily in Cataclysm.

If we're talking about the font, then it has nothing titanic in particular. If you're looking for Titanic involvement, there could definitely be some, as a Titanic Homeworld expansion is due.

Uh why would we be looking towards the Titan homeworld? Wouldn't the titans be involved if Azeroth is threatened by the Old Gods, the very thing they empowered the dragons to stop in the first place?

[Raetary]

All i see is a Naaru themed border with a purple cosmic void background.

Where the fuck you people see night elf bows and titan aesthetics is an absolute enigma for me.

[Khaza-R]

All i see is a Naaru themed border with a purple cosmic void background.

Where the fuck you people see night elf bows and titan aesthetics is an absolute enigma for me.

Someone on reddit said it looks like the Sapphire Skyblazer. I don't necessarily agree with that take but I can see the elven elements perhaps people see in the bow.



It would be pretty funny if this ends up being another expansions themed around elves.

[NikolaiShade]

All i see is a Naaru themed border with a purple cosmic void background.

Where the fuck you people see night elf bows and titan aesthetics is an absolute enigma for me.

To be honest at the sides I see two arrowy things, no idea about the titan aesthetics

[Teriz]

All i see is a Naaru themed border with a purple cosmic void background.

Where the fuck you people see night elf bows and titan aesthetics is an absolute enigma for me.

The thing is that it is easy to confuse Naaru for titan because they are "alien" tech. However, the straight lines moving into the more curved elements are definitely titan. Also Naaru don't have anything to do with dragons, while the lore of dragons and titans are intertwined, as is the lore of titans and old gods. Also the background wouldn't be cosmic, it would be Twilight or Old Gods (ala "Domestic Void), because that is the theme that lines up with Dragons and directly threatens Azeroth.

[pacotaco]

The thing about a dragon expansion is that it can basically be anything. Out of all precedents for retcons and new expansions inventing new ideas or shaking up past lore, the dragons have been doing it longer and more consistently than almost anything else.

Even in Classic we had Nefarian creating the Chromatic dragonflight, and experimental or mutated flights would be introduced almost once an expansion since then. On top of those, Wrath of the Lich King introduced the proto-dragons as their original forms. Legion introduced Storm Dragons. Shadowlands gave us feathered Veilwing Dragons.

While the easy guess for the Dragon Isles is something like a zone for each of the original flights and fleshing out the dragons we know, the sky's the limit. Awhile back someone speculated on the possibility that Elune may not just have a fondness for Ysera specifically, but be the origin of the dragons as a whole. I feel like some sort of newly revealed history of the dragons like that is basically guaranteed in any dragon-themed expansion.

Something like "Empire of Dragons" could reveal that Galakrond was one of many colossal proto-proto-dragons before he came to Azeroth and sired dragonkind as we know it. This Empire could exist to this day on the Dragon Isles, or the other side of Azeroth, or some mythical place on the border between the cosmic realms of Light and Void. If Elune really does have something to do with the dragons, her established creation of the Prime Naaru could easily connect the dragons to the Light, and even Void.

Yeah, we had new dragons each and every expansion:
- Vanilla: Chromatic Dragons
- TBC: Nether Dragons, Inifnite Dragons
- WtoLK: Proto-dragons, Twilight Dragons
- Cata: Stone Dragons, Storm Dragons
- MoP: Cloud Serpents
- WoD: Fey Dragons
- Legion: Storm Dragons, Nightmare Dragons
- BfA: Void Dragons
- Shadowlands: Feathered Dragons

So it's not crazy to think they could add new kinds of dragons, like, Sea Dragons, Light Dragons, or whatever they want.

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Lol, I just realized that it would have the same initials as the GW2 expansion.

Yeah no I doubt that.

We had WoW: Shadowlands at the same time that FF14: Shadowbringers. Sharing inititials with the new GW2 expansion feels like a minor problem after that to me.

[elbleuet]

Someone on reddit said it looks like the Sapphire Skyblazer. I don't necessarily agree with that take but I can see the elven elements perhaps people see in the bow.



It would be pretty funny if this ends up being another expansions themed around elves.

I can smell some high elf vibes here.

[Khaza-R]

Yeah, we had new dragons each and every expansion:
- Vanilla: Chromatic Dragons
- TBC: Nether Dragons, Inifnite Dragons
- WtoLK: Proto-dragons, Twilight Dragons
- Cata: Stone Dragons, Storm Dragons
- MoP: Cloud Serpents
- WoD: Fey Dragons
- Legion: Storm Dragons, Nightmare Dragons
- BfA: Void Dragons
- Shadowlands: Feathered Dragons

So it's not crazy to think they could add new kinds of dragons, like, Sea Dragons, Light Dragons, or whatever they want.

Night Dragons.

Probably somehow related to Elune's darker powers.

[pacotaco]

I read that people made a remark about the shine coming from the letters in the EoD logo. What if it is a still from an animation, I could see some light animation coming from the letters. I am not claiming it to be true though, just a thought I had.

It could explain the rays on the bottom frame and the starry effect on the WarCraft letters.

[Teriz]

People think that looks like a Night Elf bow?

[Varodoc]

That name makes as much sense as Shadowlands, Warlords of Draenor or Mists of Pandaria made sense.

By the way, going "inside" Azeroth which supposedly is a (female) sleeping Titan will not be a thing due to various reasons.

How do those names not make sense?

"Shadowlands" is self-explanatory, the expansion takes place in the realm known as Shadowlands.

"Warlords of Draenor" refers to the main villains of the expansion, the Warlords of the world "Draenor" who formed the Iron Horde.

"Mists of Pandaria" refers to the magical mists that surrounded Pandaria for 10000 years, the expansion happens because of their disappearance.

"Empire of Dragons" doesn't make sense, unless the dragons randomly decide to start an empire.

Which is out of character for them because, in case you didn't know, empires are built on conquest and bloodshed. By definition, an empire is a collection of conquered kingdoms. I don't see Alexstrasza and co. randomly starting to conquer people. That would certainly make them no better than their nemesis N'Zoth.

[MabusGaming]

Not sure why everyone keeps debating the empire of dragons logo. The person who posted it continues to read this thread and hasn't said a word about it since they posted it. Was also the first and only source of the image. Just put it to rest already lol

[Fahrad Wagner]

I can smell some high elf vibes here.

Highborne for me!

[Sondrelk]

People think that looks like a Night Elf bow?

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I mean, yeah?
It looks like wood with stylized pieces of organic metal shapes.
There are afterall elven bows with even more metal pieces.

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Not sure why everyone keeps debating the empire of dragons logo. The person who posted it continues to read this thread and hasn't said a word about it since they posted it. Was also the first and only source of the image. Just put it to rest already lol

Because we are not arguing whether it's real. That debate is basically pointless given we have absolutely no reason to assume it is.
The debate is whether it could have the potential to be real. Would anyone be surprised if it ended up being real, which is a debate worth having given the Shadowlands logo was leaked way back, and it looked even more fake than this.

[Edward Wu]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snjZylsqGPo

This looks great. 1000x better than the awful Unreal Engine renders of "next-gen" WoW zones.

[AngerFork]

How do those names not make sense?

"Shadowlands" is self-explanatory, the expansion takes place in the realm known as Shadowlands.

"Warlords of Draenor" refers to the main villains of the expansion, the Warlords of the world "Draenor" who formed the Iron Horde.

"Mists of Pandaria" refers to the magical mists that surrounded Pandaria for 10000 years, the expansion happens because of their disappearance.

"Empire of Dragons" doesn't make sense, unless the dragons randomly decide to start an empire.

Which is out of character for them because, in case you didn't know, empires are built on conquest and bloodshed. By definition, an empire is a collection of conquered kingdoms. I don't see Alexstrasza and co. randomly starting to conquer people. That would certainly make them no better than their nemesis N'Zoth.

You sure on that definition? Merriam Webster within it's multitude of definitions for Empire (source) lists one definition as "a major political unit having a territory of great extent or a number of territories or peoples under a single sovereign authority." While empires have largely in history been due to conquered kingdoms, it isn't necessarily a requirement. To a certain extent, the Iron Horde could be considered to be an empire run by Grommash even though he did not conquer the other clans.

To have an empire, all the dragons would need to do would be to follow a single sovereign authority and act as one. There are plenty who could fit the bill to lead such an empire...perhaps a single flight takes leadership, or perhaps a Titan returns and gives new instructions to the dragonflights. We might find a lost leadership setup in the Dragon Isles, who knows what might've happened there? We may not currently know of a dragon empire, but we didn't understand what the mists were for Mists of Pandaria until we discovered more of the story.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snjZylsqGPo

This looks great. 1000x better than the awful Unreal Engine renders of "next-gen" WoW zones.

Agreed. It fits the art style of WoW much better for obvious reasons & would likely work in the current game as opposed to the Unreal Engine shaders/textures which would likely limit the amount of lower end PCs that could play WoW.