I love how "if we were to do that, we'd do it with in-game questing" turns into "basically confirmed a future expansion that includes it".
And people wonder why devs are reluctant to say anything but the most vague, generic shit. This is why. Forums immediately take things and run WILD.
What I've liked with some plots brought by books is that they took the time to flesh out why the events are important or how they make sense. Voljin's book is a very nice read but 5.3 would have felt so much better with more of these moments integrated in game.
But of course a book will always be an easier format to narrate stories than a game.
On a sidenote, I've liked a lot every short stories accessible online on the official website and for free. They should definitely do more of these. The one for Bolvar and the four horsemen is really enjoyable and goves you something to look forward to. Too bad these characters were so badly used during Shadowlands.
Anyway with Sylvanas, they've made a big mess because they've never given any rope to grab on so that we could follow even a bit what's happening. Let it be in books or ingame.
In Legion, it feels like a forgotten thread. In Before the Storm, it feels like she just wants to rule with mutinee for every part. In A Good War, the horde got its back against the wall and she needs to create momentum. In BfA, she's not a warchief, she's scheming on a level no character or player can follow. In Shadow rising, she's barely there and her pawns are barely aware of what's going on. In Shadowlands, she's suddenly an open book...
The issue I'm having here is that you only get the rope in the last moment when the whole story has been started for 6 years at least and multiple books didn't help at all.
And with that we had to suffer Saurfang nonsense : "Sylavans is right we need to start a war and I'm going to lead it! Oh no! War means killing people without letting them more chances to kill you! No wait confusion is hitting me hard! Me good orc...I need human prison and human approval... Sylvanas bad and needs to be stopped because she... no one knows but she's against our world!"
Has science turned into a buzzword nowadays?
Sure does seem like it, not targetting you in particular here.
At any rate i remember a certain dragon settling his flaming arse squarely on the front gate, torching an entire district in one go, knocking over several statues, getting bored and flying off again after fetching his dead daughter's head, so i would not exactly overestimate its defenses either.
They're great, yeah, but next to i.e. Antorus or Ny'alotha, well, i don't think it can hold a candle to them.
And we raided those places just fine, like the bunch of merry murderhobos we are.
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Yet also as humble as health and humor permit.
Furthermore, I consider that Carthage Slam must be destroyed.
Well, strategy and tactics are aspects of military science, so it isn't completely inaccurate. Though mathematically impossible would make more sense, i.e. the Horde simply can't spare the forces that would be needed to achieve the goal, if it even has them.
And while Deathwing managed to cause some damage, he didn't exactly conquer the city nor did he even have the ability - that would have required him to bring an occupying force. We didn't conquer Antorus or Ny'alotha, either. We carved a bloody swath through them, but we wouldn't have had any way to hold them. Our advantage was that we didn't need to.
I rather doubt that military science would use terms like "mathematical impossibility", history is rife with unlikelihoods and almost every aspect of warfare revolves around having grossly incomplete information. It does not seem beneficial to pretend outcomes can ever be considered impossible on the basis of calculation.
What is conquest? If he had burned the whole of Stormwind and taken a nap in the ashes could you seriously claim with a straight face that Deathwing had not conquered it?
And in regards to Ny'alotha: We literally killed all leaders and evrn their god, what more could you seriously ask for before calling it conquered? Their reality disintegrated; defeat does not get more thorough than that.
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This is a signature of an ailing giant, boundless in pride, wit and strength.
Yet also as humble as health and humor permit.
Furthermore, I consider that Carthage Slam must be destroyed.
Mathematical impossible ultimately just means the numbers don't add up. I don't disagree that it likely wouldn't be used, but it isn't technically wrong for an attack that has no percievable chance of succeeding.
Conquest means taking and holding an objective. Destroying it isn't doing either. So yes, i could and would claim that he had not conquered it, he'd have destroyed it.
Same goes for Ny'alotha: We didn't conquer it, we destroyed it.
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So, this is very interesting.
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I’ve always wondered about this. I feel like gamers aren’t typically big readers and non-gamers aren’t going read WoW books, so the crossover is already pretty slim. On top of that, big readers are often inclined to read stuff that’s a bit more worthwhile, so even the big-reading gamers probably aren’t chewing through WoW novels. It’s got to be a pretty small market indeed.
Furthermore, books notoriously don’t exactly make stacks of money, and WoW novels aren’t topping bestseller lists. Surely it’s clear that the main purpose of the novels is to tell the story rather than to make money? And surely that could be done more quickly, cheaply, and with a bigger readership (I wouldn’t read a WoW novel in a million years but I’d page through a short story in my lunch break) if the stories were posted for free?
I remember for a while Magic The Gathering stopped the novels and instead released the block stories as a series of short stories for free. It wasn't the best fantasy fiction I read by any means but it was decent, in bite sized chunks and frequent enough to keep you coming back. I would love a similar format for WoW.
no hate, there might be some truth in this. I wouldn't be surprised if there were some specific lines about this in Golden's contract with Blizzard. We will never know how competent a story writer for the game she is, but my eyes and mind suffered enough to know how bad of a novellist she truly is and yet she gets to display her NY times best seller medal on every book she gets published...
Her merit was to write a book about Arthas, that is it. I understand that a lot of writers want to seize these opportunities but If blizzard could do better screenings when choosing their contractors-partners, everyone would win in it. And the chances of players picking up a book from the game's universe would be higher and they wouldn't say they feel forced reading it when it is an enjoyable experience.