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    Quote Originally Posted by Zan15 View Post
    Oh look they pay 42% tax vs the United states 24%

    but wait.

    Denmark has an enviable education system in which tuition is free – including at university
    US has, umm.... Property tax....and Student Loans.

    In Demark, Not only is education itself free, but each university student is also given around $900 per month from the state
    US has, ummm.... credit cards....2 jobs while going to school.

    In Denmark, new parents can enjoy up to 52 weeks of paid leave when they have a child
    US has, unemployment.

    Denmark’s Health Law is centred on the goal of achieving universal access to healthcare. The principle is to provide free and equal healthcare to all, with the cost of the majority of services being paid for through the welfare system, via taxes.
    US Has Premiums and 20%+ of the people without insurance....oh and bankruptcies

    Danish parents are asked to pay around 30% of nursery fees for their children, with the remainder of the cost being financed by the state
    US has, Debt


    Of course the 42% takes into account other taxes like Sales/VAT/Property/state and Local Taxes/Social Security/Medicare Tax.....

    Once you factor that in for the united states you are closer to 42% v 36%
    Then factor in the 8-12% of income spent on health insurance/health cost.
    Then factor in college education cost/loan cost.
    Then factor in childcare if you work.
    etc
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    hmmm 42% starts to look like a deal.
    They also have to exile and kick out any immigrants to afford all of this. Seeing their Socialist party backslide on Human Rights is worrying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CostinR View Post
    That really has little to do it, because while yes the people to refuse to accept covid is real are imbeciles that's not what's driving the wedge between Europe and the US on the economy and I say this as a European who's mad as hell at the EU and various governments around here.

    The EU has simply sucked on handling this entire crisis: We've had more cases, more deaths, our vaccination policies are idiotic and our handling of the economy is going downhill.

    As a comparison the US has already passed 4 trillion in covid spending with 2 trillion about to pass now, the EU has passed 600 billion to deal with covid, that's 10 times less and while national governments will spend money on their own some, like mine, are being idiots and imposing austerity. The US and EU gdp is similar with the US at 21 trillion and the EU at 18 trillion.

    The US is about to spend just shy of a third of it's entire GDP to handle covid. Europe won't even spend a tenth. Guess who will do well and who won't. Hell even if Biden hadn't won the US still would have spent 4 trillion and likely over 5 to deal with the issue.
    You're a 100% wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Milchshake View Post
    They also have to exile and kick out any immigrants to afford all of this. Seeing their Socialist party backslide on Human Rights is worrying.
    That’s cute. So weird how you fight for... what exactly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bodakane View Post
    You're a 100% wrong.
    “We have trillions to wall street!!! Look how awesome we are”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bodakane View Post
    You're a 100% wrong.
    Since you want to engage in a smear job: From the official EU website

    https://ec.europa.eu/info/business-e...ce-facility_en

    The Recovery and Resilience Facility (the Facility) will make €672.5 billion in loans and grants available to support reforms and investments undertaken by Member States. The aim is to mitigate the economic and social impact of the coronavirus pandemic and make European economies and societies more sustainable, resilient and better prepared for the challenges and opportunities of the green and digital transitions.
    But it goes all the way to 750 billion, still a pittance compared to what we need. According to Bloomberg.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...utpaced-by-u-s

    President Joe Biden’s $1.9 trillion stimulus bill, if congressional leaders pass the full amount, would take his administration’s spending in 2021 to more than three times as much as euro-area countries have planned, according to UniCredit SpA.

    As a consequence, most economists expect the U.S. economy to reach its pre-pandemic size around the middle of 2021, roughly a full year before the currency bloc.

    JPMorgan Chase & Co. estimates the “fiscal thrust” — the boost from discretionary government spending minus the drag of expiring tax breaks and support measures — will add 1.8% to U.S. output this year. For the euro zone, it’ll subtract 0.1%.

    Erik Nielsen, UniCredit’s chief economist, says the difference in spending plans compared to the U.S. is “mind-boggling” and the euro-zone approach is “severely inadequate.” It’ll lead to a muted recovery, higher unemployment, deeper economic scars and weak inflation, he said in his report.

    Such an outcome would be all too familiar for the euro zone. Fixation on austerity to reduce debts after the 2008-2009 global financial crisis, rather than boosting growth through consumption, condemned the bloc to a sluggish recovery which turned into a sovereign debt crisis and double-dip recession.

    Nielsen cites the so-called output gap as a key indicator of the problem. That gauge of unused economic potential is hard to measure precisely, but it’s widely considered to be bigger in the EU than in the U.S. at the moment. That means Europe should be doing more, not less, to boost its economy.
    As for COVID. Statistics don't lie. Take vaccinations for instance: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...s-tracker.html

    The US has managed to get a single dose for almost a quarter of their population. The EU countries? Less then 10%, and only Hungary has managed as of writing to get over that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Milchshake View Post
    Is the US economy really recovering faster than Europe?

    • What is Biden doing right?
    • What are European Socialists doing wrong?

    JPMORGAN: The spread between the US and European recoveries continues to widen, driven by “more concentrated fiscal support in the US. ... The pending $1.9tn fiscal relief package in the US should exacerbate the divergence in growth.”



    **CORRECTION**

    The US has the fastest recovery due to the enormous amounts of money spent by the federal government to support the economy. And the person responsible for that is Pelosi.
    You can come back here when you figure out barely any EU country actually has a socialist parties that is part of the government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnBrown1917 View Post
    You can come back here when you figure out barely any EU country actually has a socialist parties that is part of the government.
    That's proves my point, what are Socialist Doing wrong that they can win elections over there?

    Democrats manage to win power despite massive structural disadvantages in gerrymandering and the EC.

    Why cant European Socialists build a broad coalition to support them at the polls?

    Trying to peel off voters with anti-immigration policies doesn't seem to be working so well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnBrown1917 View Post
    You can come back here when you figure out barely any EU country actually has a socialist parties that is part of the government.
    Are you saying US does?

    A far better argument is that places that already spend a lot on infrastructure, don’t have to spend as much when the need increases. Maybe the fact that cost of care in EU is cheaper, without insurance overhead, thus resulting needing to spend less during a health crisis.
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    Kyrsten Sinema is a queen

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    Quote Originally Posted by NED funded View Post
    Kyrsten Sinema is a queen
    As I said, big "let them eat cake" energy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    As I said, big "let them eat cake" energy.
    https://www.c-span.org/video/?c49502...inema-votes-15

    I disagree with her but the confidence and style of that no vote I have to give it to her

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    Quote Originally Posted by NED funded View Post
    https://www.c-span.org/video/?c49502...inema-votes-15

    I disagree with her but the confidence and style of that no vote I have to give it to her
    I generally don't give points to goulish energy, but that's just me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milchshake View Post
    That's proves my point, what are Socialist Doing wrong that they can win elections over there?

    Democrats manage to win power despite massive structural disadvantages in gerrymandering and the EC.
    Democrats have convinced a large swathe of voters that they are capable of governing and governing well, European socialists have done the exact oposite.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    I generally don't give points to goulish energy, but that's just me.
    I mean sure she denied a basic living wage to millions of working Americans but she looked so LIT when she did it, Fam!! /dab

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    Quote Originally Posted by NED funded View Post
    https://www.c-span.org/video/?c49502...inema-votes-15

    I disagree with her but the confidence and style of that no vote I have to give it to her
    I also need to publicly apologize to the Amendment King. I didnt think he would actually force the vote.

    I thought the risk of procedural shenanigans of it reaching a 50-50 tie would delay all $1.9 trillion of relief.

    He clearly did his homework and saw it was going to fail by six votes. Avoiding all threat of delay.


    I fully expect to catch more hate over this than:
    • Sinema
    • Joe Manchin
    • Jon Tester of Montana
    • Jeanne Shaheen
    • Maggie Hassan
    • Tom Carper
    • Chris Coons
    • Independent Angus King
    • 50 Republicans

    I fully relinquish my position as #3 on Tulsi's Enemies List.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CostinR View Post
    Since you want to engage in a smear job: From the official EU website

    https://ec.europa.eu/info/business-e...ce-facility_en



    But it goes all the way to 750 billion, still a pittance compared to what we need. According to Bloomberg.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...utpaced-by-u-s



    As for COVID. Statistics don't lie. Take vaccinations for instance: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...s-tracker.html

    The US has managed to get a single dose for almost a quarter of their population. The EU countries? Less then 10%, and only Hungary has managed as of writing to get over that.
    Smear job? I live in the us...in florida no less.

    I don't give a fuck what article you post and your backwards ass interpretation of them....one stat beats them all.

    500K+ people died.

    That didn't happen because we as a country were closed down.
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    I genuinely don't understand Sinema. Mark Kelly is far more progressive and won with a larger share of the vote than she did, but she's pandering to Conservatives because.. ?

    Also why don't House Dems grow a pair and force Biden to negotiate with them instead of two idiot Senators.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurasu View Post
    Also why don't House Dems grow a pair and force Biden to negotiate with them instead of two idiot Senators.
    ...what?

    The issue is the Senate, not Biden or the House. The House already passed the bill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    ...what?

    The issue is the Senate, not Biden or the House. The House already passed the bill.
    If 6 members of the House said they wouldn't pass it without the minimum wage, they would be relevant in the conversation. Instead, they've already said they'll pass whatever the Senate sends. If 6 members of the House said they wouldn't pass the bill with the lower income threshold, Biden wouldn't be 'compromising' with only Manchin and Sinema.

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    Networth of democrats voting no:

    Chris Coons: $10.13 million
    Angus King: $9.49 million
    Joe Manchin: $7.62 million
    Tom Carper: $5.73 million
    Jeanne Shaheen: $3.82 million
    Jon Tester: $3.67 million
    Maggie Hassan: $3.47 million
    Sinema - Wait a couple of years for donors and speaking engagements, and board seats, and lobbying... you know the deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurasu View Post
    If 6 members of the House said they wouldn't pass it without the minimum wage, they would be relevant in the conversation. Instead, they've already said they'll pass whatever the Senate sends. If 6 members of the House said they wouldn't pass the bill with the lower income threshold, Biden wouldn't be 'compromising' with only Manchin and Sinema.
    Yep... there are 10 progressive democrats...

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