Biden / Harris Focused Discussion

[Zan15]

I had gotten more last year from who was in charge then I will this year under Biden. Unless they manage to pass more stimulus. I hope they do, but I seriously doubt anything more of substance will be passed under Biden.

no kids?

hmm 1200 + 600 = 1800 vs 1400 for a single invidual.

So a person on his own would have got more under trumps TWO stimmies vs One Biden stimmy that is true.

Buuuuuttt...

Once you throw families and the unemployed into the mix it gets complicated. As well as new insurance programs, tax breaks and rental assistance.

First stimmy was 1200 + 500 for each child. Second was 600 + 600. Third is 1400 + 1400 + 300 per month (extra 1000 or 1600 depending on age over last years allowance)

1700 + 1200 = 2900 first two
2400 + 1000 = 3400 third
2400 + 1600 = 4000 third

So while (assuming you are single no kids) be recieving less money this time around, more people will get getting more than the last two combined.
If you do have one kid you will get more in this stimlus then the last two combined.

As an individual you also have some other benefits that may or may not apply?


If you were unemployed you will get an additional tax break on the first 10,200. Now that is hard to quantify since everyones tax rate is different. Assume a base savings of 10%. 1020.00.

Of course the first stimlus was 600 a week vs 300 so you could have got more if you were unemployed back then and go on unemployment now. Would be hard to recieve both unless you had employment for a bunch of months inbetween.

If you were laid off Government will fully cover laid-off workers’ COBRA premiums through September. Another hard one to quantify but based on averages this could be as much as 4k for an individual and 10k+ for a family.

Now there are other new programs. 45 billion for rental assistance. So you could qualify for help on your rent. Hard to quantify since we don't know if you are behind on your rent or your income and how the program will actually work since it will be different in each state.

There is also ACA help that was not in the last stimlus:
--Enrollees will pay no more than 8.5% of their income toward coverage, down from nearly 10% now.
--Lower-income policyholders will receive subsidies that eliminate their premiums completely.
--Also, those earning more than the current cap of 400% of the federal poverty level -- about $51,000 for an individual and $104,800 for a family of four in 2021 -- will ---become eligible for help for the first time

Premiums will decrease about $50 per person per month, on average. An uninsured couple making $70,000 annually could find coverage for $1,000 less per month than they would have before the law was passed. A family of four making $90,000 a year could see their premiums drop by $200 a month.


The bill also significantly expands the Earned Income Tax Credit for 2021 by making it available to people without children. The credit for low and moderate-income adults would be worth $543 to $1,502, depending on income and filing status.



So after all this, i would have to know a lot more about you to really quantify if you are getting more or less. But just based on the # of people who would qualify for each one of these additions it would be hard to say the vast majority of people are actually getting less this round even when compared to the first two rounds combined

[Jettisawn]

"The nice places"

Reminder that people matter more than swaths of empty land when it comes to politics.

Odd, I see people and the swaths of "empty land" as one in the same. They can also both fit the definition of nice places.

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no kids?

hmm 1200 + 600 = 1800 vs 1400 for a single invidual.

So a person on his own would have got more under trumps TWO stimmies vs One Biden stimmy that is true.

Buuuuuttt...

Once you throw families and the unemployed into the mix it gets complicated. As well as new insurance programs, tax breaks and rental assistance.

First stimmy was 1200 + 500 for each child. Second was 600 + 600. Third is 1400 + 1400 + 300 per month (extra 1000 or 1600 depending on age over last years allowance)

1700 + 1200 = 2900 first two
2400 + 1000 = 3400 third
2400 + 1600 = 4000 third

So while (assuming you are single no kids) be recieving less money this time around, more people will get getting more than the last two combined.
If you do have one kid you will get more in this stimlus then the last two combined.

As an individual you also have some other benefits that may or may not apply?


If you were unemployed you will get an additional tax break on the first 10,200. Now that is hard to quantify since everyones tax rate is different. Assume a base savings of 10%. 1020.00.

Of course the first stimlus was 600 a week vs 300 so you could have got more if you were unemployed back then and go on unemployment now. Would be hard to recieve both unless you had employment for a bunch of months inbetween.

If you were laid off Government will fully cover laid-off workers’ COBRA premiums through September. Another hard one to quantify but based on averages this could be as much as 4k for an individual and 10k+ for a family.

Now there are other new programs. 45 billion for rental assistance. So you could qualify for help on your rent. Hard to quantify since we don't know if you are behind on your rent or your income and how the program will actually work since it will be different in each state.

There is also ACA help that was not in the last stimlus:
--Enrollees will pay no more than 8.5% of their income toward coverage, down from nearly 10% now.
--Lower-income policyholders will receive subsidies that eliminate their premiums completely.
--Also, those earning more than the current cap of 400% of the federal poverty level -- about $51,000 for an individual and $104,800 for a family of four in 2021 -- will ---become eligible for help for the first time

Premiums will decrease about $50 per person per month, on average. An uninsured couple making $70,000 annually could find coverage for $1,000 less per month than they would have before the law was passed. A family of four making $90,000 a year could see their premiums drop by $200 a month.


The bill also significantly expands the Earned Income Tax Credit for 2021 by making it available to people without children. The credit for low and moderate-income adults would be worth $543 to $1,502, depending on income and filing status.



So after all this, i would have to know a lot more about you to really quantify if you are getting more or less. But just based on the # of people who would qualify for each one of these additions it would be hard to say the vast majority of people are actually getting less this round even when compared to the first two rounds combined

I never stated this bill was "bad", but I also have my problems with it. Just like I have for the previous ones. Overall it was better then the previous ones. I'm sorry if you all want me jumping for joy over some bigger scraps. I still see the failed promises, I still know people who fell though the cracks with the previous bills and I know that they will with this one. There is still another huge transfer of money that is going to a worthless and rapacious middle man that prevents Americans from getting the basic care they require. You want to take a victory lap over this go ahead. I know that even if this was a first step, it wasn't a large enough one.

[PACOX]

Nuance doesn't exist on this site or people willfully ignore it.

The stimulus is a step in the right direction but not something to celebrate or rest on for a number reasons.

Remember, the pandemic didn't create an economic crisis, it's exposed one. The aid some people are now getting is aid they needed 9 months ago. Not 3 months ago, 9. It's not even a full bill but just part 2 of the previous one. The bill helps but it really ain't shit and I would bet $1,400 that quite a
bit of people don't like it when they are told to stfu and take the money - in much kinder white washed words. Hell there's people here who would jump off a bridge if they only made $1,400 but progressives are nuts when they say the work is far from over? Come on.

$1400 for rents and landlords who had make tough decisions against the other over the past year?

A couple of dollars off 2021s ACA premiums even though the majority of the pandemic and recession was last year?

People who were already on their asses working 1/4 of the hours they did before (which were already below a living wage), not qualifying for unemployment, living paycheck to paycheck but being forced to miss 2-4 weeks at time due to quarantines. Those people should be satisfied with their $1,400 and stfu.

People do not just need the fulfillment of a bill that first rose during the previous generation, they need equity.

Also if Biden doesn't start owning the bill, Trump and the GOP gladly will. Democrats effectively split power with the GOP. That means the GOP is very much still in the game and aren't just going to rollover, nor do they care about being fair or objective. Dems have failed for the last 30 years making the same mistakes and concessions that Biden is making right now. But I guess trying to keep progressives off the lawn is more important.

[Kaleredar]

Nuance doesn't exist on this site or people willfully ignore it.

The stimulus is a step in the right direction but not something to celebrate or rest on for a number reasons.

Remember, the pandemic didn't create an economic crisis, it's exposed one. The aid some people are now getting is aid they needed 9 months ago. Not 3 months ago, 9. It's not even a full bill but just part 2 of the previous one. The bill helps but it really ain't shit and I would bet $1,400 that quite a
bit of people don't like it when they are told to stfu and take the money - in much kinder white washed words. Hell there's people here who would jump off a bridge if they only made $1,400 but progressives are nuts when they say the work is far from over? Come on.

$1400 for rents and landlords who had make tough decisions against the other over the past year?

A couple of dollars off 2021s ACA premiums even though the majority of the pandemic and recession was last year?

People who were already on their asses working 1/4 of the hours they did before (which were already below a living wage), not qualifying for unemployment, living paycheck to paycheck but being forced to miss 2-4 weeks at time due to quarantines. Those people should be satisfied with their $1,400 and stfu.

People do not just need the fulfillment of a bill that first rose during the previous generation, they need equity.

Also if Biden doesn't start owning the bill, Trump and the GOP gladly will. Democrats effectively split power with the GOP. That means the GOP is very much still in the game and aren't just going to rollover, nor do they care about being fair or objective. Dems have failed for the last 30 years making the same mistakes and concessions that Biden is making right now. But I guess trying to keep progressives off the lawn is more important.

Biden has specifically said that they intend to take a democrat-specific victory lap for having passed it.

Something that won’t be very difficult seeing as all the republicans voted against it.

[Kellhound]

"The nice places"

Reminder that people matter more than swaths of empty land when it comes to politics.

Yes, which is why most of Washington has no say in state politics.

[DarkTZeratul]

Yes, which is why most of Washington has no say in state politics.

So ultimately you're really not contesting the statement that Washington has a lot of Democrats one bit.

[Kellhound]

Given the murder of a gay teen recently in small-town Washington... i'd disagree with that.

Given the number of murders in Seattle... SeaTac area is more dangerous to live in than most of the rest of the state, statistically.

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So ultimately you're really not contesting the statement that Washington has a lot of Democrats one bit.

Never said it wasn't fraught with them, just that they are relatively isolated geographically.

[Calfredd]

Is Biden and Harris still alive?

Don't hear anything about them since they got elected.

Why did the BLM movement die too? Not a pipsqueak about that anymore either.

I thought they was going to help black people when they were Pres and VP?

What happened?

They're trying to prepare for the new, deadlier strain of Covid that originated in the UK, friend.

[postman1782]

Is Biden and Harris still alive?

Don't hear anything about them since they got elected.

Why did the BLM movement die too? Not a pipsqueak about that anymore either.

I thought they was going to help black people when they were Pres and VP?

What happened?

So, you made another account, to say what you said on your petal account? And still be wrong?

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They're trying to prepare for the new, deadlier strain of Covid that originated in the UK, friend.

Don't bother. It is the same guy that made that Petal account.

[Calfredd]

Don't bother. It is the same guy that made that Petal account.

Oh I know, just thought I'd say something to shut him up for a while.

[postman1782]

Oh I know, just thought I'd say something to shut him up for a while.

It will last like 10 seconds before he goes off on another racist rant.

[Xarkan]

They're trying to prepare for the new, deadlier strain of Covid that originated in the UK, friend.

They should prepare for the brazilian or south african variants..

[Warning]

Is Biden and Harris still alive?

Don't hear anything about them since they got elected.

Why did the BLM movement die too? Not a pipsqueak about that anymore either.

I thought they was going to help black people when they were Pres and VP?

What happened?

This may surprise you, but the US presidency isn't always a clownshow begging for your attention every single day. That's something that was fairly unique to the last President and one of the reasons more sensible people voted him out. Presidents are actually meant to work for the people to combat major issues facing the country. Again this didn't happen during the last presidency which is why half a million Americans are dead now and why the current President is too busy to entertain you, golf, hold endless self-aggrandizing rallies or pay off pornstars.

[Felya]

Yes, the nice places don't have much population.

Which seems to be completely logical... why would more people choose to live in shittier places? It’s only logical? lulz...

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Is Biden and Harris still alive?

Dude hasn’t heard about the stimulus everyone is talking about... I don’t know man... watch something other than Fox, OAN or Newsmax... Other news channels are busy discussing the amount of work they have done, instead of Lola Bunnies’s boobs... perverts...

Don't hear anything about them since they got elected.

Because your news channels are too busy talking about Dr Susse, Mr Potatohead and Lola Bunny boobs... Saying what you are, the day after they announce vaccines will be available to all adults by May 1st, is fucking gold. They are literally distracting you with cartoons...

Why did the BLM movement die too? Not a pipsqueak about that anymore either.

This is the funnies part... Trump is no longer president and you no longer hear about the evil BLM? Suddenly BLM is back to how it was before Trump, as if the issue was Trump and his policy favoring the rich, needing a boogie man. I do mean boogie man, since instead of covid relief and the huge COVID announcements yesterday, all ya’ll being told is to look at cartoon boobs.

When do your news stations have the time to cover Biden and cartoons at the same time? I think if you want news for adults or you are not a pervert, you might want to check news sources that are not currently exclusively about cartoons.

I thought they was going to help black people when they were Pres and VP?

What happened?

How would BLM become president and VP? How does that work?

[PhaelixWW]

Yes, which is why most of Washington has no say in state politics.

The "most" you're talking about is the land in Washington, which never had a say in state politics. The majority of the people in the state of Washington absolutely have a say in state politics, regardless of where they live. That's the way democracy works.

[Felya]

Don't bother. It is the same guy that made that Petal account.

I don’t know... I kinda enjoy hearing from people whose bubble is nothing, but bitching about cartoons and simping the royal family, just days after Biden announces that this COVID nightmare is coming to its end by July 4th, due to vaccinations. Can you imagine a reality where we finally see the light at the end of the covid bullshit, but not being aware of it, because you only watch news about cartoons? A large portion of the country seems to be living in that imaginary land...

[PhaelixWW]

They should prepare for the brazilian or south african variants..

Far more traffic comes in from the UK than from Brazil or South Africa. The UK variant is about 30 times as prevalent as either of the other two variants in the US right now.

And there's nothing to indicate that they're not capable of preparing for more than one variant at a time.

[Felya]

The "most" you're talking about is the land in Washington, which never had a say in state politics. The majority of the people in the state of Washington absolutely have a say in state politics, regardless of where they live. That's the way democracy works.

‘The best parts of America, are those with the fewest Americans...’ that’s what I call nationalism?

[Zan15]

Odd, I see people and the swaths of "empty land" as one in the same. They can also both fit the definition of nice places.

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I never stated this bill was "bad", but I also have my problems with it. Just like I have for the previous ones. Overall it was better then the previous ones. I'm sorry if you all want me jumping for joy over some bigger scraps. I still see the failed promises, I still know people who fell though the cracks with the previous bills and I know that they will with this one. There is still another huge transfer of money that is going to a worthless and rapacious middle man that prevents Americans from getting the basic care they require. You want to take a victory lap over this go ahead. I know that even if this was a first step, it wasn't a large enough one.

never said you did state that.
I was disputing the possibility that the majority of people will be receiving more help then the past two stimulus programs regardless of your personal outcome.

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Nuance doesn't exist on this site or people willfully ignore it.

The stimulus is a step in the right direction but not something to celebrate or rest on for a number reasons.

Remember, the pandemic didn't create an economic crisis, it's exposed one. The aid some people are now getting is aid they needed 9 months ago. Not 3 months ago, 9. It's not even a full bill but just part 2 of the previous one. The bill helps but it really ain't shit and I would bet $1,400 that quite a
bit of people don't like it when they are told to stfu and take the money - in much kinder white washed words. Hell there's people here who would jump off a bridge if they only made $1,400 but progressives are nuts when they say the work is far from over? Come on.

$1400 for rents and landlords who had make tough decisions against the other over the past year?

A couple of dollars off 2021s ACA premiums even though the majority of the pandemic and recession was last year?

People who were already on their asses working 1/4 of the hours they did before (which were already below a living wage), not qualifying for unemployment, living paycheck to paycheck but being forced to miss 2-4 weeks at time due to quarantines. Those people should be satisfied with their $1,400 and stfu.

People do not just need the fulfillment of a bill that first rose during the previous generation, they need equity.

Also if Biden doesn't start owning the bill, Trump and the GOP gladly will. Democrats effectively split power with the GOP. That means the GOP is very much still in the game and aren't just going to rollover, nor do they care about being fair or objective. Dems have failed for the last 30 years making the same mistakes and concessions that Biden is making right now. But I guess trying to keep progressives off the lawn is more important.

Few things.

A- its a lot more money then a few bucks off premiums. A whole lot of people in the "hole" between subsidies and no subsidies now get a lot of money off premiums. Its also very substantial amount of money if you are paying for COBRA cause you lost your job.

B- if you are only working 1/4 of the hours, you most likely qualify for partial unemployment + $300. Your income would have to be over 6 figures to not qualify with only 25% of your hours.

and yes they should already be working on another bill for even more help come spring-summer since these bills take so long.

[Breccia]

This is not a crisis, this is a full-blown disaster that they've created. They've created this

-- Texas Lt. Gov. Danica Patrick

This same...hold on.

(checks source)

This is not a crisis, this is a full-blown disaster that they've created. They've created this

-- Texas Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick

This same person, incidentally, immediately said "now let's all take off our masks".