Biden / Harris Focused Discussion

[Ivanstone]

He also "represents" one of the reddest states in the country; the "Joe Manchin could switch parties" threat isn't exactly an empty one. Hell, the governor of his state did it just a few years ago. Not saying Democrats should do none of that, but you do have to consider that it can get a lot worse than "failing to pass anything meaningful."

Jim Justice was a registered Republican before running as a Democrat in 2016. It was pretty much a race between two Republicans.

[DingDongKing]

He also "represents" one of the reddest states in the country; the "Joe Manchin could switch parties" threat isn't exactly an empty one. Hell, the governor of his state did it just a few years ago. Not saying Democrats should do none of that, but you do have to consider that it can get a lot worse than "failing to pass anything meaningful."

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They should probably wait until we know the results of 2022. Judges are a thing, after all.

Unless the Dems are actually rigging elections, they’re going to get mauled in 2022.

[Armael]

That's how midterms work, the party in power except once in my lifetime, always loses at least 1 chamber. You're not exactly a soothsayer here. Also, lol at "unless the Dems are actually rigging elections."

[PhaelixWW]

Also, lol at "unless the Dems are actually rigging elections."

That's always the most hilarious thing about the stupid election conspiracy theory (and conspiracy theories in general). If the Democrats were so incredibly capable as to actually affect the election all throughout the country without getting caught, then why did they lose seats in the House and only get a 50/50 tie in the Senate?

With as high a degree of conspiratorial sophistication that the Big Lie is accusing the Democrats of having, why would we be sitting here fuming over Manchin right now?

[DingDongKing]

That's always the most hilarious thing about the stupid election conspiracy theory (and conspiracy theories in general). If the Democrats were so incredibly capable as to actually affect the election all throughout the country without getting caught, then why did they lose seats in the House and only get a 50/50 tie in the Senate?

With as high a degree of conspiratorial sophistication that the Big Lie is accusing the Democrats of having, why would we be sitting here fuming over Manchin right now?

Pretty much. The Dems rigging the election would require them to be competent at carrying out such schemes. The fact that they can’t even avoid infighting between different factions, makes this a massive fucking reach. Add to that, if it were so easy to rig an election, they wouldn’t have gone with Biden as their candidate. He’s not exactly a transformational choice.

[Very Tired]

That's always the most hilarious thing about the stupid election conspiracy theory (and conspiracy theories in general). If the Democrats were so incredibly capable as to actually affect the election all throughout the country without getting caught, then why did they lose seats in the House and only get a 50/50 tie in the Senate?

With as high a degree of conspiratorial sophistication that the Big Lie is accusing the Democrats of having, why would we be sitting here fuming over Manchin right now?

I've been spreading time lurking on r/conservative so take it from me, reality is always twisted and distorted in their ever desperate attempts to believe that some unseen higher power is always in control of things. In this case they believe that the Democrats did rig the election, but were to stupid to rig anything else besides the run for president. That or they were just to "focused" on rigging Biden's race they couldn't spare any attention to rig the others.

I'm secretly hoping they keep this up because I would love to see those idiots hurt themselves in confusion and discourage themselves from voting in a totally "rigged" election as a result of their own lies.

[ati87]

How do you think Manchin will cost the Democrats more seats? Just him - not other factors.

How about revering this? What votes is Manchin winning for you?
Biden is also to blame for his own bad poll numbers but that is going hand in hand with how he is dealing with Manchin.

Also when your making the same arguments as Republicans you know you are in the wrong.

[PhaelixWW]

How about revering this? What votes is Manchin winning for you?
Biden is also to blame for his own bad poll numbers but that is going hand in hand with how he is dealing with Manchin.

Also when your making the same arguments as Republicans you know you are in the wrong.

This post doesn't even make sense.

As bad as Manchin is, he's unarguably better than an R in the same seat and McConnell back as SMajL.

[Draco-Onis]

This post doesn't even make sense.

As bad as Manchin is, he's unarguably better than an R in the same seat and McConnell back as SMajL.

I guess you can argue that with Manchin you get judges and Biden got a cabinet closer to his choice something you wouldn't get with a R. However that is not something democrats can run on in 2022, Manchin is a media whore and has eclipsed Biden to the point where people don't think he is in charge. Those optics are depressing the democratic base same goes for Sinema.

[ati87]

I guess you can argue that with Manchin you get judges and Biden got a cabinet closer to his choice something you wouldn't get with a R. However that is not something democrats can run on in 2022, Manchin is a media whore and has eclipsed Biden to the point where people don't think he is in charge. Those optics are depressing the democratic base same goes for Sinema.

Also judges is a joke when the most important decisions are made by the supreme court which Republicans managed to stack even with thanks to people like Manchin.

[downnola]

As much as Trump was a total cuntbucket, the party toed the line. He got what he wanted.

Biden seems to be incapable of getting the party to toe the line, and that's a shitshow.

Two senators are not the "party." This is what it looks like when you have a paper-thin majority and can't get your legislation past a filibuster. The House has been trying to pass his agenda all year. The Republican party passed one piece of legislation from Trump's agenda and only because it was something all Republicans agreed on: Tax cuts. He was able to accomplish fuck all for the rest of his four-year LARP as a president. The difference is that he had a legitimate majority in the House and Senate for his first two years in office.

[DingDongKing]

Two senators are not the "party." This is what it looks like when you have a paper-thin majority and can't get your legislation past a filibuster. The House has been trying to pass his agenda all year. The Republican party passed one piece of legislation from Trump's agenda and only because it was something all Republicans agreed on: Tax cuts. He was able to accomplish fuck all for the rest of his four-year LARP as a president. The difference is that he had a legitimate majority in the House and Senate for his first two years in office.

As much as I hate Trump, the GOP is so together that they would’ve been passing whatever shitty stuff they’d want to be passing with a 50-50 split even. Assuming they had the house. It’s what happens when you rule from a bully pulpit. Everyone gets in line, especially if it’s in their financial interest. So I guess the MAIN takeaway from this is that the GOP rarely does stuff for the majority of the US anyway so it’s well easy to pass selfish legislations.

[Endus]

That's always the most hilarious thing about the stupid election conspiracy theory (and conspiracy theories in general). If the Democrats were so incredibly capable as to actually affect the election all throughout the country without getting caught, then why did they lose seats in the House and only get a 50/50 tie in the Senate?

With as high a degree of conspiratorial sophistication that the Big Lie is accusing the Democrats of having, why would we be sitting here fuming over Manchin right now?

https://www.openculture.com/2016/11/...f-fascism.html

#7: "Obsession with a plot."
#8; "The enemy is both strong and weak."

It's not so much "hilarious" as "bog-standard evidence of Fascistic thinking".

[ati87]

Two senators are not the "party." This is what it looks like when you have a paper-thin majority and can't get your legislation past a filibuster. The House has been trying to pass his agenda all year. The Republican party passed one piece of legislation from Trump's agenda and only because it was something all Republicans agreed on: Tax cuts. He was able to accomplish fuck all for the rest of his four-year LARP as a president. The difference is that he had a legitimate majority in the House and Senate for his first two years in office.

BUt when you allow the 2 senators to control the party whole agenda those two senators are the party.
What the GOP did with 2/4 years of Trump was exactly what they wanted and set out to do. Tax cuts, deregulation, appoint judges and as a bonus appoint the a SC Justice.
Rest they don't really care because if Republicans wanted for example actual healthcare reform (we are still waiting for a republican plan) they could have gotten Democratic support for that.

[Paranoid Android]

"Overwhelmingly, people who have received the child tax credit payments have used it for food, rent, and utilities and to pay off debt" https://t.co/FgPnSRNsIX https://t.co/9jBkzCMOLV

https://twitter.com/silviakillings/s...16dhgGEjw&s=19

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I hate when they spend money on essentias.

[cubby]

How about revering this? What votes is Manchin winning for you?
Biden is also to blame for his own bad poll numbers but that is going hand in hand with how he is dealing with Manchin.

Also when your making the same arguments as Republicans you know you are in the wrong.

Manchin, while a total shitstorm, is allowing us to have the votes at all. He gets us the 50-50 Senate count so the Dems control the majority. I'm not defending his recent activities, or, actually him as a person. Just pointing out that Manchin actually getting us the chance to vote at all.

Plus, now it looks like his coal mine buddies want him to vote on it.

[DarkTZeratul]

Manchin, while a total shitstorm, is allowing us to have the votes at all. He gets us the 50-50 Senate count so the Dems control the majority. I'm not defending his recent activities, or, actually him as a person. Just pointing out that Manchin actually getting us the chance to vote at all.

Plus, now it looks like his coal mine buddies want him to vote on it.

And if he actually does, he can get a bunch of good will for listening to his constituents and doing what the people of West Virginia want.

[downnola]

BUt when you allow the 2 senators to control the party whole agenda those two senators are the party.

That's ridiculous and not fair whatsoever to the Democrats who are actually trying to help their constituents.

What the GOP did with 2/4 years of Trump was exactly what they wanted and set out to do. Tax cuts, deregulation, appoint judges and as a bonus appoint the a SC Justice.
Rest they don't really care because if Republicans wanted for example actual healthcare reform (we are still waiting for a republican plan) they could have gotten Democratic support for that.

Again, the only thing from Trump's agenda that passed through the House and Senate was the tax cut bill. Am I the only one who remembers the infighting over their attempts to reverse the ACA? Remember John McCain and Mittens pissing Trump off and sending him on tirades on Twitter? My point is that Republicans aren't united and Trumpkins have been trying to primary establishment Republicans since 2016. They are only united in their complete opposition to anything that could be perceived as a victory for Democrats, which is basically any legislation that might help non-corporation entities and workers. It's these people that are the real reason a basic infrastructure package can't pass the Senate. Even if Sinema and Manchin did agree to vote for these things, you can't pass everything you aim to accomplish through reconciliation. Eventually you have to reach the threshold to avoid a filibuster. You're not getting there with a 50/50 split.

But sure, blame the Democrats as a whole instead of the DINO's causing a shit storm for no reason, I guess. That's precisely what Republicans are trying to get people to do with their partisan hackery and Manchin and Sinema are just making it easier for them. It's sad that people fall for it.

[Milchshake]

That's ridiculous and not fair whatsoever to the Democrats who are actually trying to help their constituents.



Again, the only thing from Trump's agenda that passed through the House and Senate was the tax cut bill. Am I the only one who remembers the infighting over their attempts to reverse the ACA? Remember John McCain and Mittens pissing Trump off and sending him on tirades on Twitter? My point is that Republicans aren't united and Trumpkins have been trying to primary establishment Republicans since 2016. They are only united in their complete opposition to anything that could be perceived as a victory for Democrats, which is basically any legislation that might help non-corporation entities and workers. It's these people that are the real reason a basic infrastructure package can't pass the Senate. Even if Sinema and Manchin did agree to vote for these things, you can't pass everything you aim to accomplish through reconciliation. Eventually you have to reach the threshold to avoid a filibuster. You're not getting there with a 50/50 split.

But sure, blame the Democrats as whole instead of the DINO's causing a shit storm for no reason, I guess. That's precisely what Republicans are trying to get people to do with their partisan hackery and Machin and Sinema are just making it easier for them. It's sad that people fall for it.

It is pretty fucking ridiculous the amount of memory holing going on.

As an American with a prexisting condition, this image is seared into my brain forever. For tens of millions of Americans that benefited from the ACA, our hearts were in our throats.


Ya, it was a fluke. Even though McCain hated the ACA. He hated the idea of someone breaking his precious Senate Rules even more.


People that only experience US politics as a Spectator Sport can go fuck themselves currently.

[s_bushido]

https://twitter.com/silviakillings/s...16dhgGEjw&s=19

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I hate when they spend money on essentias.

Sure, but it wasn't long until the ghouls came along and made sure we all knew that the only people deserving of assistance from the government are those who are literally starving...