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    Quote Originally Posted by Flower Milk View Post
    Hey just a thought, maybe now might not be the right time for the president-elect to shlock his merch while during a pandemic where people are starving and homeless. I know it's tradition, but maybe just like, refrain from doing it this time Joe. Or refrain from advertising it?

    Just a really shit look right now.

    https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1344424275818786816
    Gotta run after those $600 before someone else does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cthulhu 2020 View Post
    As someone who's worked in merch before, I can say with almost 100% certainty that neither Biden nor anybody particularly important is actually spending time working on the merch. Biden likely put his signature on one paper, or maybe even someone with the authority to make these decisions for Biden did it, and a merch company as well as Biden's campaign is handling it. It's not that "It's tradition" it's that he's not the person even handling it.
    This explanation kind of makes the situation worse. He is not running a record label, he is running a country. Knowing what you sign off on and what's being done in your name is a little more serious than giving a marketing department too much authority.

    Trump was criticized for it, as should Biden. Just because it's legally acceptable/traditional mean it's right, otherwise McConnell is a fricken saint. We're supposed to be moving past this crap, not adding to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flower Milk View Post
    Wanna hear something crazy? In most countries in the world, their elected officials don't sell merch. Isn't that wild?
    Wanna hear something crazy? It's still a petty thing to get in a twist about. Isn't that wild?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    Gotta run after those $600 before someone else does.

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    This explanation kind of makes the situation worse. He is not running a record label, he is running a country. Knowing what you sign off on and what's being done in your name is a little more serious than giving a marketing department too much authority.

    Trump was criticized for it, as should Biden. Just because it's legally acceptable/traditional mean it's right, otherwise McConnell is a fricken saint. We're supposed to be moving past this crap, not adding to it.

    Waiting for my blue MAGA Hat in the mail that I paid for with my stimulus check.
    One of my complaints about Trump doing it was that it was overpriced. Not just normal merch overpriced but like $60 for a T-shirt overpriced. And even then, it was never really that big of a deal to me. Merch is one of those things that I pretty much expect to see from everyone. Though my biggest issue with the Trump merch wasn't it existing nor even the price, but the Trump cult constantly and incessantly whining and bitching about America first and all of that, and then the massively overpriced merch was made in China. Just looked and every Biden merch piece I clicked on was made in USA. But Biden was never complaining about outsourcing in the first place either. It's just a nice touch.

    Merch is just one of those things that I expect everyone has self control over. It's not an inherently predatory cash grab like gacha games or the like. I've never known anyone who has a "merch problem". Trump was doing far more seedy shit to con people out of their money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cthulhu 2020 View Post
    One of my complaints about Trump doing it was that it was overpriced. Not just normal merch overpriced but like $60 for a T-shirt overpriced. And even then, it was never really that big of a deal to me. Merch is one of those things that I pretty much expect to see from everyone. Though my biggest issue with the Trump merch wasn't it existing nor even the price, but the Trump cult constantly and incessantly whining and bitching about America first and all of that, and then the massively overpriced merch was made in China. Just looked and every Biden merch piece I clicked on was made in USA. But Biden was never complaining about outsourcing in the first place either. It's just a nice touch.

    Merch is just one of those things that I expect everyone has self control over. It's not an inherently predatory cash grab like gacha games or the like. I've never known anyone who has a "merch problem". Trump was doing far more seedy shit to con people out of their money.
    Its not about the merch itself. It's the tweet from his verified account that's pushing the merch. It's behavior I would expect from someone like Trump, not a guy who is trying to get actual work done.

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    if fucking merch is the worst thing we have left to complain about its going to be an fantastic 4 years
    Buh Byeeeeeeeeeeee !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    Its not about the merch itself. It's the tweet from his verified account that's pushing the merch. It's behavior I would expect from someone like Trump, not a guy who is trying to get actual work done.
    A verified personal account. That's used, I imagine, primarily by his social team to post campaign messages and now use to raise money for the inauguration nonsense. Like almost every other account of a big politician, especially a septuagenarian that didn't quite grow up with the internet box and the social medias.

    This is, again, pretty bog-standard shit. That they're using Twitter probably isn't even new.

    What the fuck work isn't Biden getting done right now? We can disagree with some of his picks, but he's well on track with picking his cabinet and his team appears to be getting things in place to hit the ground running as best they can.

    Seriously, this is getting "Chipotle-sneeze-guard gate" levels of silly over something so monumentally trivial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    A verified personal account. That's used, I imagine, primarily by his social team to post campaign messages and now use to raise money for the inauguration nonsense. Like almost every other account of a big politician, especially a septuagenarian that didn't quite grow up with the internet box and the social medias.

    This is, again, pretty bog-standard shit. That they're using Twitter probably isn't even new.

    What the fuck work isn't Biden getting done right now? We can disagree with some of his picks, but he's well on track with picking his cabinet and his team appears to be getting things in place to hit the ground running as best they can.

    Seriously, this is getting "Chipotle-sneeze-guard gate" levels of silly over something so monumentally trivial.
    want there an AOC sells a tshirt thread on this forum?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonnysensible View Post
    want there an AOC sells a tshirt thread on this forum?
    Yeah, I wonder where the people who attacked AoC over that are now.
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    The election has passed and 58 million working class Americans stood up and proved that they are in fact your racist uncle and jerk co-workers.
    They really can't help but show disdain for the working class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonnysensible View Post
    want there an AOC sells a tshirt thread on this forum?
    Yep, get used to it. Incoming 4 years of trying to match outrage over Biden or AOC as a proxy, to that of Trump, but with far less material. We are already seeing outrage over shit like this, trying to match Trump casually encouraging shooting people at his rally. Got to get those clicks...
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnBrown1917 View Post
    Yeah, I wonder where the people who attacked AoC over that are now.
    They are the same ones crying about Biden selling shirts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orange Joe View Post
    They are the same ones crying about Biden selling shirts.
    Biden also didn’t claim to be against capitalism, so it’s not off brand. Either way, as I said then, this is a stupid controversy... call me when either one makes a form of apparel, into a required form of expressing support.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    call me when either one makes a form of apparel, into a required form of expressing support.
    That's what conservatives have been crying about constantly for months now. "Why do I have to wear a mask just 'cause leftists tell me to?!!!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by s_bushido View Post
    That's what conservatives have been crying about constantly for months now. "Why do I have to wear a mask just 'cause leftists tell me to?!!!"
    I was implying the red hat, but that works too...
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    Meanwhile, the virus moves on, gathering strength as time rolls by.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/co...th/ar-BB1cpL17

    Title: COVID-19 model predicts 150,000 more US deaths within the next month

    Well in this case the title accurately describes what the article is about.

    Excerpt:

    A top COVID-19 model predicts 150,000 more deaths in the U.S. in the next month as the country heads into what is anticipated to be the worst phase of the pandemic.

    Projections from the University of Washington's Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation show the death toll over the next month could be far beyond that of December, which set a record at about 77,500.
    Since these kinds of estimates have recently been shown to be reasonably accurate, I am expecting January to be pretty close to what this article says. People in the US have declared victory over the virus, and are ready to open up and resume their old lifestyles. The new meme is "We can't AFFORD to stay closed down."

    So doing a bit of math, 150k deaths divided by 31 days in January comes to almost 5k deaths average a day. The Thanksgiving surge really seemed to happen. I am expecting the Christmas surge to be just as real.

    Biden / Harris will have their hands full by the time inauguration day rolls around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orange Joe View Post
    They are the same ones crying about Biden selling shirts.
    AOC's campaign is ONLY small donor funded, ie. you send direct donations or donate through buying merch. Joe Biden's campaign has corporate donors, he doesn't need to schlock merch. And I'm sorry but "inaugural merch" is fucking weird, why are we giving money to a guy we just elected who just won? What is he fundraising for, what is he going to do with the money?
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    Another example of what Biden is up against, though this next article is mostly as expected.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/nearly-ha...023130057.html

    Title: Nearly half of Americans blame Republicans and McConnell, and 32% blame Democrats and Pelosi for the lack of $2,000 stimulus checks, a new poll shows

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    Nearly half of Americans believe that "Republicans in Congress and Senator Mitch McConnell" was to blame for the inability to pass the $2,000 stimulus checks, according to a new poll published by the progressive think tank Data for Progress.

    Nearly one-third said the failure to pass the $2,000 checks was due to "Democrats in Congress and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi," according to the same poll.

    House lawmakers voted in favor of bumping the second round stimulus checks to $2,000 from $600, but Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell refused to consider a standalone bill to increase the check amount.
    First of all, based on the facts of what just happened, blaming Pelosi is absolutely crazy. She was a vocal cheerleader for the bill, and got it passed in as quickly as was reasonably possible considering that republicans put up some resistance to super quick approval.

    32% means that the republican base is 32%, and that these people will interpret everything as Trump and republicans good, democrats bad. 32% is lower than I would have expected. This is good news.

    The other good news is: the $2k is framed yet once again as who is to blame. The underlying assumption is that it definitely should have been passed.

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    Would really love to hear the reasoning from someone blaming dems given that they passed the 2k bill in the house. They passed it, but somehow are to blame for it not passing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blur4stuff View Post
    Would really love to hear the reasoning from someone blaming dems given that they passed the 2k bill in the house. They passed it, but somehow are to blame for it not passing?
    And she got it passed very quickly despite resistance from republicans. For one they kept it from being passed unanimously right from the start. She did an amazing job in getting it passed through the House, and in supporting the 2k stimulus publicly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blur4stuff View Post
    Would really love to hear the reasoning from someone blaming dems given that they passed the 2k bill in the house. They passed it, but somehow are to blame for it not passing?
    "Because something something something, words I pulled from a SAT study book, something something something, script from whatever the current pseudo intellectual Shapiro type Trumpsters are into this week, something something something, Democrats are the root of all evil."

    There I saved you the time you would waste reading one of Theo's 1000 word essays.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flower Milk View Post
    AOC's campaign is ONLY small donor funded, ie. you send direct donations or donate through buying merch. Joe Biden's campaign has corporate donors, he doesn't need to schlock merch. And I'm sorry but "inaugural merch" is fucking weird, why are we giving money to a guy we just elected who just won? What is he fundraising for, what is he going to do with the money?
    All I see here is wah wah wah.
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