1. #16881
    Quote Originally Posted by Odinfrost View Post
    It also doesn't help that news media like to focus on stories of economic downturns regardless of how little or how widespread, but will only cover positive development when it's a big positive
    And, quite often, not even then. There have been several pretty big wins during this administration that largely blew in and out of headlines within hours to be forgotten in favor of the newest faux outrage from Margie and the GOP Goon Squad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sorshen View Post
    It's basically the same as what he did two years ago, just pardoning the people caught up in the same "offenses" between then and now. Making good (as much as possible) on a campaign promise and un-fucking people while various states work out what the fuck their weed rules will be going forward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chonogo View Post
    About fucking time! It does make me curious how many pardons that turns out to be. Maybe for once we'll actually lower our incarceration rate per capita.
    He did this in 2021, as it states in the link.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sorshen View Post
    Dank Robinette strikes again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chonogo View Post
    Oh damn, you're right(though it looks like it was a 10/6/22 proclamation he was referencing, not 2021).

    How did I miss the first one?
    And you're right, it was 2022, not 2021. I'm not sure why I got that wrong. Chalk it up to busy as fuck pre-holiday work.

    As for why you missed this, it's things like this I was referencing in my previous post on the news media not really bringing the achievements of the administration to light--at least not for very long. "Things are going well" doesn't sell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chonogo View Post
    About fucking time! It does make me curious how many pardons that turns out to be. Maybe for once we'll actually lower our incarceration rate per capita.
    Unfortunately a lot less than you probably think because most people are not hit with federal offenses.

    Not even sure how many people actually get hit with federal simple possession to where they actually land in prison. Use is even lower. Not something federal persecutors bother with kf those are the only offenses. Hasn't been that way for a while. It definitely benefits people, especially those with older records but I hate to say it's not a huge gesture. Appreciated but appeals to the minds of an older pre-DARE demographic that believes the feds are still writing weed citations.

    Good either way, don't want come off as a grouch in this instance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benggaul View Post
    It's a poll for an election that's not happening for nearly another year in an era where polls have been less and less reliable, so I'm not sure there's quite enough salt to go 'round.
    Bad polling data tends to favor conservatives though with the DNC relying too much on favorable polls. Numbers will definitely change in a year, the data is still valuable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    Unfortunately a lot less than you probably think because most people are not hit with federal offenses.

    Not even sure how many people actually get hit with federal simple possession to where they actually land in prison. Use is even lower. Not something federal persecutors bother with kf those are the only offenses. Hasn't been that way for a while. It definitely benefits people, especially those with older records but I hate to say it's not a huge gesture. Appreciated but appeals to the minds of an older pre-DARE demographic that believes the feds are still writing weed citations.

    Good either way, don't want come off as a grouch in this instance.
    From what I remember the last time the point isn't to free people from prison (as far as I'm aware there weren't any freed in the last round and won't be this round either) but rather to basically expunge the bogus charges from their records to make it easier for them to actually get shit done in society without the charge hanging over them and essentially preventing them from having a life.

    We will have to agree to disagree about the polling data having any real value.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    Bad polling data tends to favor conservatives though with the DNC relying too much on favorable polls. Numbers will definitely change in a year, the data is still valuable.
    Historically yes, but that was when Trumpists wouldn't admit they would vote for a fascist, now they are bragging about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    Unfortunately a lot less than you probably think because most people are not hit with federal offenses.

    Not even sure how many people actually get hit with federal simple possession to where they actually land in prison. Use is even lower. Not something federal persecutors bother with kf those are the only offenses. Hasn't been that way for a while. It definitely benefits people, especially those with older records but I hate to say it's not a huge gesture. Appreciated but appeals to the minds of an older pre-DARE demographic that believes the feds are still writing weed citations.

    Good either way, don't want come off as a grouch in this instance.

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    Bad polling data tends to favor conservatives though with the DNC relying too much on favorable polls. Numbers will definitely change in a year, the data is still valuable.
    I can't talk for every state but in Michigan there is jail which you only go if your sentence is under a year doesn't matter what the charge is. You only go to prison if your sentence is over a year. doesn't matter if it's a federal crime, state crime, or misdemeanor. The only thing that matter when it comes to jail vs prison is sentence length

    Should also mention that you can only be charged by the feds in Michigan anymore. we are fully legalized so there are no more state charges for the crimes. (obviously only covers possession, selling is still illegal without a license)
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    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...3fbc9a10&ei=25

    Republicans Drafting Bills to Remove Joe Biden from Ballots in Georgia, Arizona, Pennsylvania

    Three Republican state lawmakers from Georgia, Arizona, and Pennsylvania are drafting legislation to remove President Joe Biden from the ballots in their respective states.

    They aim to counter the Democrats’ legal actions against former President Donald Trump and argue that Biden is ineligible for office.

    The lawmakers believe that the same reasoning could be applied to Biden due to his actions at the southern border and alleged corrupt dealings.

    They assert that their objective is to challenge the Colorado decision and ensure all candidates can appear on state ballots.

    This move reflects Republican discontent with the Democrats’ actions and their determination to push back.
    “We are joining forces to introduce legislation to REMOVE Joe Biden from the ballot in Georgia, Arizona, and Pennsylvania,” the lawmakers stated.

    “The absurdity of radical Democrat judges removing Donald Trump from the ballot in Colorado will be a stain on the American political system for decades. By their very own interpretation of the law, Joe Biden is 100% not eligible to run for political office.”

    “Democrats’ insane justification to remove Trump can just as easily be applied to Joe Biden for his ‘insurrection’ at the southern border and his alleged corrupt family business dealings with China,” they added.

    “Colorado radicals just changed the game and we are not going to sit quietly while they destroy our Republic. To be clear, our objective is to showcase the absurdity of Colorado’s decision and allow ALL candidates to be on the ballot in all states.”

    “To do that, we must fight back as Republicans against the communists currently running our great country.”

    This move comes in response to the Colorado Supreme Court’s decision to block Trump from the state’s presidential ballot based on the “Insurrection Clause.”

    “While GOP elites are asleep at the wheel, the Democrats are very serious about destroying the American Republic,” political strategist Cliff Maloney said.

    “Thank God for patriots like Aaron Bernstine, Charlice Byrd, and Cory McGarr for stepping up to FIGHT back.

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    I look forward to seeing them laughed out of court
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    Good luck with that, chumps. More money wasted on lawyers to lose in court. While I'm not entirely behind Colorado's decision because the court cases are still ongoing, theirs actually has merit (not least because Trump is on tape actually committing crimes) whereas everything they're whining about is either not illegal or has absolutely no evidence to support it in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benggaul View Post
    Good luck with that, chumps. More money wasted on lawyers to lose in court. While I'm not entirely behind Colorado's decision because the court cases are still ongoing, theirs actually has merit (not least because Trump is on tape actually committing crimes) whereas everything they're whining about is either not illegal or has absolutely no evidence to support it in the first place.
    My favorite thing is that they keep calling the migrants coming across the border an invasion and that Biden is committing an insurrection because of it. They would have to prove that the migrants are enemies of the state and that Biden is actively aiding them in some way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benggaul View Post
    Good luck with that, chumps. More money wasted on lawyers to lose in court. While I'm not entirely behind Colorado's decision because the court cases are still ongoing, theirs actually has merit (not least because Trump is on tape actually committing crimes) whereas everything they're whining about is either not illegal or has absolutely no evidence to support it in the first place.
    The way we've treated Presidents in the US, all the official and unofficial privileges that they are given, messes up this issue. Dare I say it was by design - it was a GOP backed resolution. The Colorado ruling might have held some merit if it was done a lot earlier when the legal ramifications (not that I have much faith Trump's SCOTUS) could be weighed. It definitely would have have stuck if post the Jan 6th related trials. We all know what he did but without official rulings he is still innocent and you can't just bar innocent people from ballots, definitely not under the argument that Colorado is using. It would absolutely open the door for dumb shit like what was linked in the story. Allow it in one place with actually legal ruling and you "have to" allow it nationwide.

    SCOTUS has no choice to make a quick and dirty ruling siding with Trump for the sake of "not disturbing the democratic process". We know it's horseshit. His entire savings grace is the race-condition is having with the legal system, a race condition being an outcome that is determined whichever of two or more conditions reaches a point first.


    Really Colorado of all places? As if Colorado was ever going red anyway. The GOP knows what it is doing.

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    First of all, here's a video of Biden coming within one syllable of calling Trump a sick fuck during a conference.

    Okay, that out of the way, I wanted to post this Economist article but then I instead decided to post this WaPo article instead. Both are on the same subject, Biden vs. Trump in terms of the economy, now that they both have 3 years and anything after this runs into

    It’s one person coming in from China. We have it under control. It’s going to be just fine.
    -- the quote that keeps on giving

    So, I'm going to post a bunch of pictures here. Hope that's okay.















    Now to be fair, there are 12 charts, I posted 7. Biden isn't doing 100% better than Trump on all accounts. For example, people feel that the economy is worse under Biden, than in Trump's recession, for...some reason. And let's be honest, both inflation and interest rates are higher. But overall, Biden is objectively taking a bite out of Republicans' usual strongest selling point. Trump ruined the country's economy, Biden is repairing the damage.

    Of course, FOX News had a hard time explaining this. Just kidding. FOX News simply cherry-picked and lied by omission. But that video I just linked has multiple FOX News video clips and I'm taking a CNN point for each.

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    The pandemic absolutely constitutes a structural break for any data involving the economy so comparing trends before and after the break is not valid analysis.
    You can ofc argue against the way Trump handled the events that created a structural break in the data but again that is hard to do because the US itself doesn't really have peers; most peer economies are just much smaller (simply by virtue of population and land)

    I am not saying I don't believe he fucked things up. Just saying that you are not going to get something conclusive with just graphs. Also most voters likely never took an econometrics class (or even know what the word means) so don't know what a structural break is.
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  17. #16897
    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    The pandemic absolutely constitutes a structural break for any data involving the economy so comparing trends before and after the break is not valid analysis.
    Yeah. Republican economic policies are usually a steaming pile of shit anyway, but the pandemic is/was such an outlier that it's going to be hard/impossible to get anything valuable out of the data around it. 2020 is always going to have a huge asterisk next to it in a lot of aspects.

    But if you cut the giant spikes out of those graphs, the takeaway seems to be the Biden administration has mostly just continued whatever trends were in place during Trump's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by s_bushido View Post
    Yeah. Republican economic policies are usually a steaming pile of shit anyway, but the pandemic is/was such an outlier that it's going to be hard/impossible to get anything valuable out of the data around it. 2020 is always going to have a huge asterisk next to it in a lot of aspects.

    But if you cut the giant spikes out of those graphs, the takeaway seems to be the Biden administration has mostly just continued whatever trends were in place during Trump's.
    I mean at best you could say that a mature and well diversified economy is just going to follow its existing trends and government action will only be a blip on how things go on given how conservative interventions to the economy are compared to its size.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    I mean at best you could say that a mature and well diversified economy is just going to follow its existing trends and government action will only be a blip on how things go on given how conservative interventions to the economy are compared to its size.
    Mostly I just see this as a refutation of the Republicans' narrative that Biden has ruined the economy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkTZeratul View Post
    Mostly I just see this as a refutation of the Republicans' narrative that Biden has ruined the economy.
    It's also a testament to the Biden administration that the economy overall got back on track so quickly after being beaten into submission over the course of a year. I'm not going to sit here and claim this administration is without fault--there have been several missteps and broken promises--but in this case they've done a lot of good in a relatively short amount of time. Yes, yes, "Capitalism!" and all that, but whether folks realize it or not this admin has helped them weather a brutal economical storm with comparatively small hardships.

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