Biden / Harris Focused Discussion

[Theodarzna]

https://mobile.twitter.com/therecoun...61492671823874

So even the GOP in the Dem ranks is on board with the $1.9 trillion. Any chance you’ll find the time to read up and respond or do you only have time to read up about the GOP before blaming the Dems for their actions?

I thank Bernie Sanders, Not a Democrat as you guys like reminding people, for having the foresight to just avoid this phoney "Bipartisanship" that Biden is on.

So rejoice, Bernard Sanders actually fought and avoided those checks going as low as Biden probably was going to go.

[cubby]

This is worrying and proof the EC needs to be abolished:

https://www.npr.org/2020/11/25/93724...record-turnout

Democrats have now won the popular vote in seven of the last eight presidential elections. A Republican hasn't won it since George W. Bush's reelection in 2004.

And yet, Democrats have only won the presidency in five of those elections because of the Electoral College. Democrats are concentrated on the coasts and in cities, making it harder to win the White House than their popular vote margins might suggest.

In fact, in this election, Biden won the national popular vote by some 6 million votes so far, more than double Hillary Clinton's margin over Trump four years ago. But just 44,000 votes in Georgia, Arizona and Wisconsin separated Biden and Trump from a tie in the Electoral College.

The GOP will never allow the EC to end vis a vis the Constitution - their idiotic argument is too easy for the willfully ignorant to pick up and run with.

The only hope is the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact. Which is still two/three states away from passing.

[Edge-]

I thank Bernie Sanders, Not a Democrat as you guys like reminding people, for having the foresight to just avoid this phoney "Bipartisanship" that Biden is on.

So rejoice, Bernard Sanders actually fought and avoided those checks going as low as Biden probably was going to go.

What was his role in this, specifically? I'm not doubting, just haven't really seen any reporting on his involvement in the negotiations and planning so far. Granted I haven't read extensively, but I'd have imagined I'd see at least a mention by now.

[fwc577]

Despite rising popular vote margin the votes that counted ... that margin shrunk from 2016 to now. Woe is America's electoral system.

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This is part of why I have such a sense or urgency... it’s a bleak situation.

This bubble will completely pop once some of these states becoming bluer fully shift (Texas, Arizona, GA)

Just take Texas alone.

Excluding the 92/96 elections which split the GOP ticket between Perot and Bush, Texas' margin of victory for a Republican is the lowest since Reagan took it back from Carter in 1980.

How low?

2000 Bush - +1.3m
2004 Bush - +1.4m
2008 Obama - -950,000
2012 Obama - -1.2m
2016 Trump - +800,000
2020 Biden - -600,000

It might be a tough battle over the next decade but when Texas does officially flip, it really is game over for the GOP

Texas + California + New York = 155 / 270 Electoral Votes needed for Presidency.


Add into that other reliably blue votes of WA, OR, IL, VT, MA, RI, CT, NJ, DE, MD, DC = 216 votes for EC guaranteed.

CO, NM, MN, and VA = 253

Then you finally get to other "Tossups" like WI, MI, PA, OH, AZ.

We are quickly approaching a point where the only way GOP takes the Presidency is through a clean sweep of tossups.

Once the GOP starts to lose the Presidency continually, their influence will continue to fade. They will start regularly losing the Senate and the House and they will be forced to re-form as a more centrist party.

[Machismo]

I thank Bernie Sanders, Not a Democrat as you guys like reminding people, for having the foresight to just avoid this phoney "Bipartisanship" that Biden is on.

So rejoice, Bernard Sanders actually fought and avoided those checks going as low as Biden probably was going to go.

Is this like when you condemned a Democrat for refusing to vote for a bill, and ignored the dozens of Republicans who voted right alongside her?

[Felya]

What was his role in this, specifically? I'm not doubting, just haven't really seen any reporting on his involvement in the negotiations and planning so far. Granted I haven't read extensively, but I'd have imagined I'd see at least a mention by now.

He wasn’t involved... his last demand for 2k, was in December. This has been negotiated by Biden and GOP for the last several days... Bernie only commented recently, that he believes democrats have the votes to pass reconciliation. Not that he is working on it...

[Felya]

Vaush released another good video, showing a lot of Democratic politicians lying through their teeth about the stimulus checks:

That’s not what the video is about... again...

[Paranoid Android]

That’s not what the video is about... again...

Yeah I'm not watching it. So first Trump was the person who wanted $2k checks after the Republicans stiffed people. Yes Biden agreed while running. Do you Trumpkins remember this? Anyways, people got $600 check and now they are trying to give $1,400. So am I missing where they are playing the semantic game of $2k on top of $600 or the fact we got to $2k. I never know with these Trumpkins.

[Edge-]

Vaush released another good video, showing a lot of Democratic politicians lying through their teeth about the stimulus checks:

I'm 3 minutes in and he's making a good point about the $2K checks but then quickly transitions to pointing out how bad Democrats are at politics and how Republicans are better at messaging than they are, pointing out that Democrats could have easily demanded $2K and let Republicans or Manchin take the blame for it going down.

And praises the rest of the stimulus bill.

There seems to be a huge focus on the $2K checks from "progressives", to the exclusion of most other issues they claim to care about like minimum wage increases. Almost like some folks have a personal stake in getting a $2K check and they want that money, but don't have a personal stake in an increased minimum wage so that can like, totally wait and stuff.

[Machismo]

Vaush released another good video, showing a lot of Democratic politicians lying through their teeth about the stimulus checks:

Where's your boy, Trump, with his $2k checks?

[Edge-]

Where's your boy, Trump, with his $2k checks?

Naw man, Josh Hawley was totally gonna come through with it. Totes. Mega way totes. It was gonna happen. AND IT STILL MIGHT!

[Felya]

Yeah I'm not watching it. So first Trump was the person who wanted $2k checks after the Republicans stiffed people. Yes Biden agreed while running. Do you Trumpkins remember this? Anyways, people got $600 check and now they are trying to give $1,400. So am I missing where they are playing the semantic game of $2k on top of $600 or the fact we got to $2k. I never know with these Trumpkins.

The video is arguing that it’s a stupid issue, with significant optics ramifications. We have a very good bill that is getting passed through reconciliation, but the 1600 is letting people shit all over it. Especially considering reconciliation, it shouldn’t have mattered if it’s 2k or 1.4K.

There is a bit of a naïveté with Vaush and a lot of leftists in general, even if I like them, like Vaush. The idea that Theo, Pro-Violence or Trump supporters, wouldn’t find something else to bitch about, if it was 2k, is just naïveté. What makes them think that just like 15$ per hour became not enough, that 2k wouldn’t suffer the same exact optics issue?

And damn IPad... way to spell check with umlaut and everything...

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Naw man, Josh Hawley was totally gonna come through with it. Totes. Mega way totes. It was gonna happen. AND IT STILL MIGHT!

In 2022 this is going bite democrats... How are they going to argue that all they could muster is 1600, when faced with GOP opponents arguing that they care more about Americans, by saying 0 is too much?

[Milchshake]

The video is arguing that it’s a stupid issue, with significant optics ramifications. We have a very good bill that is getting passed through reconciliation, but the 1600 is letting people shit all over it. Especially considering reconciliation, it shouldn’t have mattered if it’s 2k or 1.4K.

There is a bit of a naïveté with Vaush and a lot of leftists in general, even if I like them, like Vaush. The idea that Theo, Pro-Violence or Trump supporters, wouldn’t find something else to bitch about, if it was 2k, is just naïveté. What makes them think that just like 15$ per hour became not enough, that 2k wouldn’t suffer the same exact optics issue?

And damn IPad... way to spell check with umlaut and everything...

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In 2022 this is going bite democrats... How are they going to argue that all they could muster is 1600, when faced with GOP opponents arguing that they care more about Americans, by saying 0 is too much?

Help me out here. What economic cohort of Very Online People would; benefit from relief checks, but not qualify from min wage increase?

• Podcasters and other filing a 1099
• Primary earnings come from a family trust fund
• Adults whose primary earnings are an allowance from wealthy "conservative husbands" or "dads"

Naw man, Josh Hawley was totally gonna come through with it. Totes. Mega way totes. It was gonna happen. AND IT STILL MIGHT!

Only asking for $1200 and getting $1400 .... I imagine these posters always expect daddy to put a cherry on top.
Sens. Bernie Sanders and Josh Hawley team up in push for second $1,200 stimulus checks

[SirBeef]

I thank Bernie Sanders, Not a Democrat as you guys like reminding people, for having the foresight to just avoid this phoney "Bipartisanship" that Biden is on.

So rejoice, Bernard Sanders actually fought and avoided those checks going as low as Biden probably was going to go.

So what bipartisanship has Biden done. He lured some GOP into a meeting to tell the fuck off. Hr was never going to deal with them considering they never negotiate in good faith. He publically embarassed them and is given Bitch "elections have consequences. The winners make the rules and the losers go home" McTurtle a tase of his own medicine. Maybe this will force their hand to come to the table earnestly. Probably not. They'll just cry like babies who just shit themselves like they always do.

[Felya]

So what bipartisanship has Biden done. He lured some GOP into a meeting to tell the fuck off. Hr was never going to deal with them considering they never negotiate in good faith. He publically embarassed them and is given Bitch "elections have consequences. The winners make the rules and the losers go home" McTurtle a tase of his own medicine. Maybe this will force their hand to come to the table earnestly. Probably not. They'll just cry like babies who just shit themselves like they always do.

It’s looking like it might mean that people like me, will not be getting the 1600. Latest news is that it might be limited to who can get the stimulus. Just to be clear, I am not struggling at the moment... don’t know what tomorrow brings, but so far so good. If I am holding back the checks to those who need it, that would be a crime.

[Wilfire]

Instead of giving people stimulus checks, give sustainable jobs. More career opportunities, more entry level jobs, more job progression.

[Edge-]

Instead of giving people stimulus checks, give sustainable jobs. More career opportunities, more entry level jobs, more job progression.

So should the government create more stable jobs of people working for the government? Isn't that just BIG GOVERNMENT?

Why didn't your boi Trump do this?

[Felya]

Instead of giving people stimulus checks, give sustainable jobs. More career opportunities, more entry level jobs, more job progression.

You mean like sustainable energy jobs?

[TigTone]

Instead of giving people stimulus checks, give sustainable jobs. More career opportunities, more entry level jobs, more job progression.

Cant, GOP doesn’t believe in funding future generations. Only in wealth hoarding like goblins.

[Felya]

Cant, GOP doesn’t believe in funding future generations. Only in wealth hoarding like goblins.

Returning to Paris Accord will require more jobs.