Sub rogue low parses :(

[iHaste]

Looking for a way's to improve my rotation, improve total damage, my parses feel ridiculously low and need an adjustment, not sure if any rogues have any tips


thansks in advance.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...pe=damage-done

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...pe=damage-done

[Elbob]

without spending too much time looking at it, too many backstabs. Make sure you are pooling energy for your dances, don't dance on cd between SB either make sure they line up with symbols unless you are about to cap on both charges. Rupture uptime is also a bit low. (rupture thing is assuming you are 'Eye' on the logs)

[Djanco]

assuming you are "eye" rotation is completely wrong. opener should look like


(from stealth) Shadowstrike -> Slice and Dice -> (covenant ability if not kyrian, if you are vulpera, use ur racial here) -> vanish -> Shadow Blades + Symbols of Death + Shadow Dance + racial (+ER if kyrian) -> Shadowstrike -> Shadowstrike -> Rupture -> Shadowstrike -> Shadowstrike -> eviscerate

only cast shadow dance if your symbols of death is ready or you're about to cap your second charge. you never ever want to be refreshing rupture or slice and dice during dance other than the first rupture during the opener. and dont use backstab during dance either.
here is the full guide for more info https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/subtlety-rogue-guide/

[iHaste]

is that why shadowstrike is the other rogues top dmg, better pool of energy in combination with better use of sod?

[Celfydd]

opener should look like

(from stealth) Shadowstrike -> Slice and Dice -> (covenant ability if not kyrian, if you are vulpera, use ur racial here) -> vanish -> Shadow Blades + Symbols of Death + Shadow Dance + racial (+ER if kyrian) -> Shadowstrike -> Shadowstrike -> Rupture -> Shadowstrike -> Shadowstrike -> eviscerate

It makes no sense whatsoever to vanish and then immediately cast shadow dance, you just blew an important cooldown. The resource you referenced doesn't say to do that either.

[Djanco]

It makes no sense whatsoever to vanish and then immediately cast shadow dance, you just blew an important cooldown. The resource you referenced doesn't say to do that either.

my fault that goes after the first dance

[Eazy]

assuming you are "eye" rotation is completely wrong. opener should look like


(from stealth) Shadowstrike -> Slice and Dice -> (covenant ability if not kyrian, if you are vulpera, use ur racial here) -> vanish -> Shadow Blades + Symbols of Death + Shadow Dance + racial (+ER if kyrian) -> Shadowstrike -> Shadowstrike -> Rupture -> Shadowstrike -> Shadowstrike -> eviscerate

According to this guide(and wowhead one also) it's:
SS -> SnD -> Covenant Ability(not Kyrian) -> SB + SoD + SD -> SS(up to 5-6CP) -> Eviscerate ->...
Tried it yesterday and felt good, because Sepsis really lined up nicely with the SD.

[Djanco]

updated bc im dumb

(from stealth) Shadowstrike -> Slice and Dice -> (covenant ability if not kyrian, if you are vulpera, use ur racial here) -> Shadow Blades + Symbols of Death + Shadow Dance + racial +ER if kyrian -> Shadowstrike -> Shadowstrike -> Rupture -> Shadowstrike -> Shadowstrike -> eviscerate -> vanish -> sepsis shadowstrike if night fae -> shadow dance ->...

[Aureli]

https://wowanalyzer.com/

[Jackstraw]

https://wowanalyzer.com/

This.

For your selected fight:
https://wowanalyzer.com/report/zxrvy...)/Eye/standard

By a quick overview, you'd better macro Symbols inside Dance. You won't use one without the other anyway.

[iHaste]

Thank you for all the comments and help

[Naiattavain]

Thank you for all the comments and help

i really don't feel like playing warcraft at all this expansion. im taking a break sub rogue is terrible.

[Sativ]

I love reading a thread & learning a lot.

Thx to all posters =)

[shoegazing]

This.

For your selected fight:
https://wowanalyzer.com/report/zxrvy...)/Eye/standard

By a quick overview, you'd better macro Symbols inside Dance. You won't use one without the other anyway.

One of many reasons that SoD should be deleted from the game entirely. This button is so pointless and stupid.

Its original design purpose was to replace certain elements of each of Premeditation, Slice and Dice, and Find Weakness, and it evolved from there. In fact it evolved to the point of total irrelevance as it's off gcd and should only ever be used with Dance.

And making matters worse, it's an offensive and noxious reminder of the terrible new class fantasy for paint lickers. Just delete this horrible button already and tune Find Weakness to be stronger in its place.

[Hunternation]

This.

For your selected fight:
https://wowanalyzer.com/report/zxrvy...)/Eye/standard

By a quick overview, you'd better macro Symbols inside Dance. You won't use one without the other anyway.

thats just not true. there are plenty of times your going to use a dance charge while symbols is on cd and another charge is coming up.

[Nightbird]

i really don't feel like playing warcraft at all this expansion. im taking a break sub rogue is terrible.

LOL.

No, you're terrible. Sub Rogue is great. You're literally playing wrong if think they are terrible. Great in PvE AND PvP.

[shoegazing]

LOL.

No, you're terrible. Sub Rogue is great. You're literally playing wrong if think they are terrible. Great in PvE AND PvP.

Performance isn't everything. The gameplay of Subtlety feels terrible to me at the moment despite the fact that it performs decently well.

[Naiattavain]

Performance isn't everything. The gameplay of Subtlety feels terrible to me at the moment despite the fact that it performs decently well.

for right now you have to have war mode enabled for sub to performs well. this is trash to me.

[Jackstraw]

One of many reasons that SoD should be deleted from the game entirely. This button is so pointless and stupid.

Its original design purpose was to replace certain elements of each of Premeditation, Slice and Dice, and Find Weakness, and it evolved from there. In fact it evolved to the point of total irrelevance as it's off gcd and should only ever be used with Dance.

And making matters worse, it's an offensive and noxious reminder of the terrible new class fantasy for paint lickers. Just delete this horrible button already and tune Find Weakness to be stronger in its place.

I was kind of hyped for SL Sub, to be honest. I got beta, and played it five minutes.
Got extremely bored by the absence of thought behind this new Premed, and dropped it altogether. It's literally BfA Sub with an aoe spender and nothing more. No setup, no upkeep, no working towards a big burst with finishers aligned, no nothing.

At this point I don't even know where to go to fix the spec. Reverting it might be out of the question, it needs something though.

thats just not true. there are plenty of times your going to use a dance charge while symbols is on cd and another charge is coming up.

We can talk about perfect play or suggest something to someone who's learning. At this point for the lad macroing Symbols inside Dance would lead to an increase in performance. Buttons can be split on a latter stage, but keeping stuff off cooldown aging as cheese does more bad than good.

[Eazy]

Performance isn't everything. The gameplay of Subtlety feels terrible to me at the moment despite the fact that it performs decently well.

I agree.

I liked WoD HFC Subtlety much more compared to the one we've got right now.