[TV] Disney+ Star Wars: The book of Boba Fett

[Elim Garak]

Given that jabba had a super tight hold on the water market and he also had deals with the empire he would absolutely care about law and order to an extent because when you have other criminals messing with your systems it effects your profits.

There were no criminals messing with the system. The underling had issues with some cyberpunks. Boba instead insulted the underling and recruited the punks. Unintelligent move. But feels righteous. That's the woke part.

[DingDongKing]

There were no criminals messing with the system. The underling had issues with some cyberpunks. Boba instead insulted the underling and recruited the punks. Unintelligent move. But feels righteous. That's the woke part.

Hilarious. 'He sided with the cyberpunks, hence he's woke! Because trans humanism!'

The levels of mental gymnastics people will do in order to reach a politically bent conclusion is jokes.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

There were no criminals messing with the system. The underling had issues with some cyberpunks. Boba instead insulted the underling and recruited the punks. Unintelligent move. But feels righteous. That's the woke part.

I mean there kinda all criminals given that it’s all about a criminal empire.

But to the actual point, the underlings are likely screwing with the pre fall system to put more money in there own pocket after the fall of jabba and the empire.

The boss gets knocked off so you try and put a little extra away while things are shaky.

[Orby]

When your ass learns to drive....

[Darththeo]

I am kind of bored reading this argument on the swoop gang. All it is repeating the same stuff.

The point of the show is that Boba is learning/building his empire. If you think his choice is questionable? Congratulations, THAT WAS THE POINT! We are suppose to doubt Boba's decisions. We are supposed to go "Hey, this isn't the best move." That's the point.

[Elim Garak]

I am kind of bored reading this argument on the swoop gang. All it is repeating the same stuff.

The point of the show is that Boba is learning/building his empire. If you think his choice is questionable? Congratulations, THAT WAS THE POINT! We are suppose to doubt Boba's decisions. We are supposed to go "Hey, this isn't the best move." That's the point.

If we know it's a bad move - then someone who swam in that cesspool like Boba should know that as well.

[Biomega]

If we know it's a bad move

We don't, though.

It's easy to just have the narrow perspective of "let's squeeze to the max, no mercy" but to say that's the best move is quite short-sighted.

Sure he could have gone to bed with the water monger and milked a few underfed laborers for their wages. Made some profit.

But we have no idea what the long-term prospects of the alternative are. What if his gang of glitzy scooter kids is the start of an entire syndicate, one that knows that if you rule with moderation you might enjoy wider success and longer life than you'd get from ruthlessly exploiting at every opportunity?

It's easy to just compare this singular moment - passing on a few credits vs. earning them. But we have absolutely no comparison yet for the long-term implications, and if it turns out that by passing on a couple thousands credits now he makes BILLIONS years down the line, we absolutely DID NOT "know it's a bad move".

That's not to say this is necessarily what's going to happen, of course - but that's the point. We DON'T know. To just assume "if you're not taking every advantage and are scummy to the maximum you're not really a crime lord" is blindingly simplistic.

[Darththeo]

If we know it's a bad move - then someone who swam in that cesspool like Boba should know that as well.

That wasn't my argument.

My argument was we, as the viewers, are meant to question his decision. They are supposed to be questionable to us, the viewers.

And we are either going to see Boba question them, or get an explanation for why he did it down the line.

[Elim Garak]

We don't, though.

It's easy to just have the narrow perspective of "let's squeeze to the max, no mercy" but to say that's the best move is quite short-sighted.

Sure he could have gone to bed with the water monger and milked a few underfed laborers for their wages. Made some profit.

But we have no idea what the long-term prospects of the alternative are. What if his gang of glitzy scooter kids is the start of an entire syndicate, one that knows that if you rule with moderation you might enjoy wider success and longer life than you'd get from ruthlessly exploiting at every opportunity?

It's easy to just compare this singular moment - passing on a few credits vs. earning them. But we have absolutely no comparison yet for the long-term implications, and if it turns out that by passing on a couple thousands credits now he makes BILLIONS years down the line, we absolutely DID NOT "know it's a bad move".

That's not to say this is necessarily what's going to happen, of course - but that's the point. We DON'T know. To just assume "if you're not taking every advantage and are scummy to the maximum you're not really a crime lord" is blindingly simplistic.

That wasn't my argument.

My argument was we, as the viewers, are meant to question his decision. They are supposed to be questionable to us, the viewers.

And we are either going to see Boba question them, or get an explanation for why he did it down the line.

Of course, we don't know. But we know that this show is written by humans with agendas. And I don't get a good vibe for it.

[Biomega]

Of course, we don't know. But we know that this show is written by humans with agendas. And I don't get a good vibe for it.

That's fine, and a valid point.

But there's no reason to couch that in assertions that aren't true, like "we know this was a bad move". No need to obfuscate, it's totally legitimate to just take the show to task for its writing, on its face.

I don't think the cyborg swoop gang thing is a nod to transhumanism (which in and of itself is far from simply "woke" and a great point of contention), but it certainly merits criticism just because of the cringe-inducing writing and jarring aesthetics - agenda or no agenda.

[DingDongKing]

Of course, we don't know. But we know that this show is written by humans with agendas. And I don't get a good vibe for it.

And your assumption is that anything not in line with your political views is woke? SCORE.

Do you walk around in the real world just trying to find 'wokeness' in stuff? Must be a great party trick.

[Darththeo]

Of course, we don't know. But we know that this show is written by humans with agendas. And I don't get a good vibe for it.

That's fine.

I am just pointing out that if you feel that it was a bad decision, that the reason is because they intended you to question his decision.
Boba Fett's decisions are questioned in the show, and they wanted that spread to the viewers as well.

We are about half way through the series at this point. We hopefully will see where things play out.

And agendas in Star Wars? *Surprised Pikachu face* you don't say!

[DingDongKing]

That's fine.

I am just pointing out that if you feel that it was a bad decision, that the reason is because they intended you to question his decision.
Boba Fett's decisions are questioned in the show, and they wanted that spread to the viewers as well.

We are about half way through the series at this point. We hopefully will see where things play out.

And agendas in Star Wars? *Surprised Pikachu face* you don't say!

That's the funny part, right. People complaining about 'woke agendas' forget that anti-capitalist and anti-imperialist rhetoric is all across the original series. The swoop gang isn't even an example of wokeness in what has otherwise been an extremely 'woke' world. Lucas designed it that way.

[Deadite]

The point of the show is that Boba is learning/building his empire. If you think his choice is questionable? Congratulations, THAT WAS THE POINT! We are suppose to doubt Boba's decisions. We are supposed to go "Hey, this isn't the best move." That's the point.

He has been in that life since he was a boy. How many nice guy crime lords who rule with respect do you think there are? I guess it was the set up in the Mado that i can't reconcile with this Boba. He went from going to kick the shite out of the Mado to get his armour and mowing down squads of Stormtroopers and blowing up fleeing ships. Then he just walks in and plugs Bib and nicks his empire. Now in his own show he's Mr Respect? The show is pretty meh imho.

[Darththeo]

He has been in that life since he was a boy. How many nice guy crime lords who rule with respect do you think there are? I guess it was the set up in the Mado that i can't reconcile with this Boba. He went from going to kick the shite out of the Mado to get his armour and mowing down squads of Stormtroopers and blowing up fleeing ships. Then he just walks in and plugs Bib and nicks his empire. Now in his own show he's Mr Respect? The show is pretty meh imho.

Boba Fett and Din had a stand off. Boba Fett literally says he just wanted a chat with Din.

And the Stormtroopers were because he had an agreement with Din no harm would come to Grogu.

Also, Fett in EU always had a sense of honor.

I am sorry, but outside of killing Bib (which is required to take control), Boba didn't kill anyone else other than what was necessary to take over

[DingDongKing]

Boba Fett and Din had a stand off. Boba Fett literally says he just wanted a chat with Din.

And the Stormtroopers were because he had an agreement with Din no harm would come to Grogu.

Also, Fett in EU always had a sense of honor.

I am sorry, but outside of killing Bib (which is required to take control), Boba didn't kill anyone else other than what was necessary to take over

And bingo again. People seem to have this view that Boba Fett is a villain. He's not.

Even in the EU he was explicit with Han Solo when he said that the pursuit of him wasn't personal. It was a job.

Similarly, he only disliked the Jedi because he held them responsible for the death of his 'father'.

This episode clearly goes on to establish that this Boba Fett is NOT a Bounty Hunter anymore. He's writing his own legacy.

Hence, the Book of Boba Fett. It's not the show's fault that people have preconceived notions of what it should and shouldn't be.

[Triceron]

My two cents on the Swoop Gang - I don't mind them, but they're more plot-convenient than badass.

Boba's just starting his crime family, so I get the whole beggars can't be choosers thing. But realistically, I think the swoop gang would've been absolutely decimated by Black Krrsanten.

The swoop gang is replaceable. Boba could have a bunch of Jawas or R2 Droids instead, and they'd be given the same 'look how useful we are' moment with helping Boba take down Black Krrsanten and the outcome would be no different. It's pretty much all happening for sake of the plot. Boba needs minions, that's the gist of it.

[Skulltaker]

Of course, we don't know. But we know that this show is written by humans with agendas. And I don't get a good vibe for it.

Sounds like you're the one with the problem, then. I fail to see how a plausible scenario is 'woke'. Also, have to say that I don't get good vibes from people who throw this word around on either side of the fence. Those who fight for 'wokeness' are just as cringy as the people who claim 'woke weariness' whenever a show has a point that doesn't conform with what they expect from a show. This entire problem you concocted up here is 100% a 'you' problem, it stems from something that is wrong with you, not the show.

A show mirroring something that actually happens isn't some form of agenda, it isn't 'woke, it's just life. (Jesus, how I despise you for throwing this pathetic buzzword around, you're shaming your namesake) The only one here with an agenda is you, some butthurt nobody who has to find an 'agenda' in a stupid show about a guy in armor who desperately tries to create an uproar where there's nothing to scream about.

Sometimes shows are just dumb and cheesy. Not everyone is out to get you, or rattle you precious safe space with their 'woke agenda'. Fucking listen to yourself. Get help.

[DingDongKing]

Sounds like you're the one with the problem, then. I fail to see how a plausible scenario is 'woke'. Also, have to say that I don't get good vibes from people who throw this word around on either side of the fence. Those who fight for 'wokeness' are just as cringy as the people who claim 'woke weariness' whenever a show has a point that doesn't conform with what they expect from a show. This entire problem you concocted up here is 100% a 'you' problem, it stems from something that is wrong with you, not the show.

A show mirroring something that actually happens isn't some form of agenda, it isn't 'woke, it's just life. (Jesus, how I despise you for throwing this pathetic buzzword around, you're shaming your namesake) The only one here with an agenda is you, some butthurt nobody who has to find an 'agenda' in a stupid show about a guy in armor who desperately tries to create an uproar where there's nothing to scream about.

Sometimes shows are just dumb and cheesy. Not everyone is out to get you, or rattle you precious safe space with their 'woke agenda'. Fucking listen to yourself. Get help.

Agreed with all of this.

[Ihavewaffles]

I was thinking about Omega, in a way it makes more sense that she appears in the Mandalorian instead of Bobf, since Din Djarin's dealing with the Kamino-empire cloner dudes... will they appear again in the Mandolorian, or maybe some other show? Maybe with Grogu out of reach, they'll go back to try to snatch Omega and/or Boba? Prob not Boba, since he's not enhanced like Omega, still dunno whether she's force sensitive.. Don't know if Boba would even cares or knows about her, since he has had millions of siblings..most of them dead. Jango n Boba saw them as cannon fodder n seemed oblivious..

I wonder if the surviving kaminoan scientist Nala Se is still alive.