Do most Alliance and Horde players really dislike Baine Bloodhoof?

[Traveler Voltin]

Baine is a coward.

[Berndorf]

He's pretty terrible but I think he's just a race that Bliz's writers don't know how to write as anything but bland and passive.

[Raisei]

Tell me more about how Garrosh made Twinbraid of Ironforge and Khazgorm of the Explorer's League invade the Stonespire tribe's land and genocide the inhabitants during Vanilla. Tell me more about how Garrosh forced Varian to promote Twinbraid to High Marshall.

Again, I did not mention your dwarfs and have no interest in your radical anti-dwarven agenda. Wave your sign in some else's face.

Stonespire already got his revenge and died happy, what even is your problem? How many Alliance members are still waiting for the chance of revenge because the game mechanics force us to always forgive and forget, so that the Horde can keep existing. You keep going on and on about this little tribe, when the Horde just murdered thousands of Night Elves. Where is our revenge for that?

And you just confirmed you're an Alliance fanboy supporting Baine out of spite for the Horde playerbase.

I wonder when I ever denied to be an Alliance player? My "support" of Baine is not out of spite though. It is because with Baine at the top there is at least a small chance that the Alliance will not have to play the outlet when the Horde feels the itch to go murderhobo next time.

It is however an unfortunate fact that for the Horde playerbase this already constitutes "spite", because I do not want them to go on another rampage on Alliance personal. As this forum clearly shows most people can only accept a Horde identity if it is based on killing Alliance people, anything less is impossible to fathom for them. And it is this narrow-minded view that is the root cause for the hatred of Baine.

There's nothing to be gained from attacking the Alliance soldiers that are in their lands, killing their people and trying to invade their capital? LOL

Sure, they could die for their cause, as Stonespire actually did. I suppose that is something.

I love how Horde hating Baine defenders always have to resort to lies like this and "those prospectors who called the military in the first place to kill people were helpless civilians and were killed in the explosion of a fortress they weren't even near."

Again, I got no clue where you got that line from. I certainly did not use it, I assume it has something to do with Bael'dun Fortress that you are so obessed with, but maybe your fanatism is growing out of hand if you have to imagine things people say so you can grow angry about it?

[Syegfryed]

The hypocrisy here is strong, yeah, the other guy is a fanatic, what a joke

[Soon-TM]

He's pretty terrible but I think he's just a race that Bliz's writers don't know how to write as anything but bland and passive.

Tauren are clearly inspired by Native Americans. Which leads me to think that writers have a quite messed up concept about what Native Americans were actually like.

[Traveler Voltin]

Tauren are clearly inspired by Native Americans. Which leads me to think that writers have a quite messed up concept about what Native Americans were actually like.

yep. Native American could get pretty savage at times.

[Gann Stonespire]

Baine defenders in this thread have multiple times made blatant lies about how was in Bael'dun's cannon fortress of death to defend their precious poor defense genocidal warcriminals.

[Narwhalosh Whalescream]

He's dull and boring, the only good thing about him is his cool outfit, i dig it.

[Progenitor Aquarius]

He’s alright and most reasonable. I play on Alliance. I think he would be great warchief next to Thrall.

[deviantcultist]

He's dull and boring

Ah don't you worry about that. If Blizz establishes he is indeed as dull and boring as people claim, he will be turned into a Death Knight as well!

[KrakHed]

He’s alright and most reasonable. I play on Alliance. I think he would be great warchief next to Thrall.

He's a genocide apologist with paper thin morality at best. If Sylvanas served a baby buffet, he might politely turn her down and watch everyone else eat them. Or he might eat it reluctantly. He's weak and spineless, never once showing the courage to truly stand up for what he supposedly believes. Either that, or he's fine with genocide.

[Progenitor Aquarius]

He's a genocide apologist with paper thin morality at best. If Sylvanas served a baby buffet, he might politely turn her down and watch everyone else eat them. Or he might eat it reluctantly. He's weak and spineless, never once showing the courage to truly stand up for what he supposedly believes. Either that, or he's fine with genocide.

What course of events forced you to think this way?

[KrakHed]

What course of events forced you to think this way?

It's how Baine is every time we see him. Any time he does something, it's far too late to matter. I don't dislike his character concept, but his character execution is a weak spineless thing that feels slightly guiltier in as meaningless a manner as possible. The next time there's a genocidal warchief, he'll go right back to stepping in line as everyone is building death camps around him. Then he'll get upset over something relatively trivial.

[Blackthorn94]

I am a Alliance player and I dont mind Baine but I do feel that he has not been used well, I think the writers just dont know what to do with him, he doesnt really bring anything to the table as a leader and he flip-flops between being loyal to the warchief and marching agaisnt them. They would have been better making him a druid so he could atleast bring some druidic powers to the leadership table as the Orc leader will always be the goto smasher so he just has to linger in the back with his totem waiting for the Orc to tire them selves out before he can be useful.

[Soon-TM]

He's pretty terrible but I think he's just a race that Bliz's writers don't know how to write as anything but bland and passive.

Ironically enough, Native Americans (whom Tauren are clearly based off) were anything but bland or passive back in the day.

[melzas]

He kinda reminds me of EU leaders showing "deep concern" whenever something outrageous happens without doing anything of substance. He didn't do anything about his father being killed, neither against Garrosh or Magatha/Grimhorns, he didn't do anything about camp Taurajo genocide, he stood by when Teldrassil burned, he didn't really oppose Sylvanas until it didn't really matter anymore. But in all these scenarios he was "deeply concerned"...

That said, he just needs some fist pumping moments. He is supposed to be a formidable warrior but we never see him in combat. I think that if Blizzard gave him some "pushed too far" story where he actually gets down to business and puts aside his pacifist nature to fight for his principles, then we might see some more appreciation for his character.

[cparle87]

He kinda reminds me of EU leaders showing "deep concern" whenever something outrageous happens without doing anything of substance. He didn't do anything about his father being killed, neither against Garrosh or Magatha/Grimhorns, he didn't do anything about camp Taurajo genocide, he stood by when Teldrassil burned, he didn't really oppose Sylvanas until it didn't really matter anymore. But in all these scenarios he was "deeply concerned"...

That said, he just needs some fist pumping moments. He is supposed to be a formidable warrior but we never see him in combat. I think that if Blizzard gave him some "pushed too far" story where he actually gets down to business and puts aside his pacifist nature to fight for his principles, then we might see some more appreciation for his character.

He couldn't do anything about his father because it would sever his people from the Horde and he wouldn't hurt them to soothe his own pain. He banished Magatha and her followers from his lands. He acknowledged Taurajo as a legitimate military target, as sad as it was. He wasn't even involved with Teldrassil at all. And you have to realize the "we have to stop her" moment came when she spat in the face of everything the Forsaken stood for. Imagine if Baine was the one going off the slippery slope with Sylvanas watching worriedly. Baine doing something insane like trying to use the Earthmother's power to destroy the land to beat an enemy would've been the kind of Godzilla threshold that Sylvanas crossed with her stunt with Jaina's brother.

[melzas]

He couldn't do anything about his father because it would sever his people from the Horde and he wouldn't hurt them to soothe his own pain. He banished Magatha and her followers from his lands. He acknowledged Taurajo as a legitimate military target, as sad as it was. He wasn't even involved with Teldrassil at all. And you have to realize the "we have to stop her" moment came when she spat in the face of everything the Forsaken stood for. Imagine if Baine was the one going off the slippery slope with Sylvanas watching worriedly. Baine doing something insane like trying to use the Earthmother's power to destroy the land to beat an enemy would've been the kind of Godzilla threshold that Sylvanas crossed with her stunt with Jaina's brother.

Yeah thanks for pointing out exactly what I was talking about. He stood by "deeply concerned" in all of these scenarios. He "couldn't" act because writers decided to write him this way... Which is a shame.

[Soon-TM]

As a result of this lack of clearly defined tenets of honor it often seems like Baine picks and chooses when he wants to be "honourable" based on his feelings rather than deepseeded culturual programming passed on from generation to generation.

Honour in WoW is whatever the SW king thinks or might think it is, end of story.

[starstationprofm]

Baine has a good heart. His treason against the Horde endangered him and his people, but he did the right thing.