Capitol Insurrection / rebellion thread

[Acidbaron]

I like this one better:
https://twitter.com/robinskyleigh/st...83743417880576

Ah hilarious

[Forogil]

Supporting Trump and fucking over some hedgefunds for profit or fun are 2 very different things.

The point was that it seemed based on similar resentments of "elites".

Meaning that it subjectively had similar reasons - not that it objectively made any sense.
The ability to see things from a different perspective is something that people normally learn around age 4, by forming a theory of mind.

If you still haven't understood it, then it makes no sense to discuss this with you.

[Veggie50]

The point was that it seemed based on similar resentments of "elites".

Meaning that it subjectively had similar reasons - not that it objectively made any sense.
The ability to see things from a different perspective is something that people normally learn around age 4, by forming a theory of mind.

If you still haven't understood it, then it makes no sense to discuss this with you.

I posted the same thing earlier. She doesn’t draw equivalence, she sees actions A and B, and considers factor C may be the cause of both. Nowhere does she attach judgement to either event.

[the game]

When is the democrats going to condemn the antifa riots?

[Machismo]

When is the democrats going to condemn the antifa riots?

I think it's already been done.

I didn't catch you condemning Trump and his band of loyal cultists or what they did. Edit: Yep, I just confirmed that you never did manage to condemn the Capitol riots, attempted murder of politicians, and the insurrection itself.

Why are you trying to deflect for Nazis?

I'll assume any failure to answer the question is an admission that you support them.

[alexw]

[video=youtube;hKaLipDCBBc]When is the democrats going to condemn the antifa riots?

Those aren't antifa. They are anarchists, a completely different group idologically. See the A in a circle symbols? Those are short for anarchist not antifa. Bottom up ultra-libertarians is the way to think of them. People who reject all forms of government.

But its no surprise that right wing nutters on youtube are trying to portray them as antifa.

But sure i'll condemn them. Any of those people involved in committing a crime should be prosecuted and lawfully punished for it.

Now, where's your condemnation of Trump and his supporters for their attempted but failed coup?

[JohnBrown1917]

The point was that it seemed based on similar resentments of "elites".

Meaning that it subjectively had similar reasons - not that it objectively made any sense.
The ability to see things from a different perspective is something that people normally learn around age 4, by forming a theory of mind.

If you still haven't understood it, then it makes no sense to discuss this with you.

Disliking the elite is, however, very valid.


That you don't see the difference between those who support the elite that fucks them over even harder and people who are involved in this, then that is really your problem.


The far right (pretends too) and any left-wing movement resents the elite, Its the entire point of any left-wing idealogy to push back against hierachies put in place by the 'elite'. Not that is was in any way or form a left-wing action, but that does not mean it does not deserve to get cheered on.

Disliking the super rich is not exactly uncommon and you don't need to get put in the same group as a fascist to dislike them. Meanwhile supporting Trump is just that... you support Trump. Only minorities, the poor and the LGBT got fucked over.

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Those aren't antifa. They are anarchists, a completely different group idologically. See the A in a circle symbols? Those are short for anarchist not antifa. Bottom up ultra-libertarians is the way to think of them. People who reject all forms of government.

But its no surprise that right wing nutters on youtube are trying to portray them as antifa.

But sure i'll condemn them. Any of those people involved in committing a crime should be prosecuted and lawfully punished for it.

Now, where's your condemnation of Trump and his supporters for their attempted but failed coup?

Antifascist actions where born out of anarchist and communists movements/parties in '30s Germany.

[Felya]

When is the democrats going to condemn the antifa riots?

They went to jail and none of them are begging the president for a pardon... As your image shows, unlike Trump and his drones, Antifa is not doing democrats bidding. Unlike Trump telling QAnon and Proud Boys to not attack, but just send him money, democrats don’t have that with Antifa.

So... what would you want democrats to condemn? The violence they condemn constantly, as a Trump supporter in congress, is celebrating the amount of money she made for saying Palosi should be shot in the head and Parkland survivors should be jailed or killed.

What the fuck is your drive through supposed to do, can’t take responsibility or defend actions of god king and his minions? Make people scared of democrats not condemning violence, while Trump supporters celebrate making money on lies and threats to murder fellow congressmen?

What do you think you are doing, showing Antifa with ‘we don’t want Biden’ sign, the day two proud boys got charged with ORGANIZING an attack on the capital... FOR TRUMP?

[Forogil]

Disliking the elite is, however, very valid.


That you don't see the difference between those who support the elite that fucks them over even harder and people who are involved in this, then that is really your problem.

Both are delusional enough to see themselves as being against the elites, while supporting some of the elites.

Don't expect a reply.

[Felya]

Why are you trying to deflect for Nazis?

I think calling them nazis doesn’t help... they carry it as a badge of honor. He didn’t deflect to communists or anything that is ideologically confronting Nazis.

It’s trying to deflect for an Orange turd that has spent his entire life ripping off American people. A NYC oligarch, whose last action as president, was not to help American people or to even help his most loyal followers, but to pardon nearly 100 corrupt financial criminals, who ripped off millions of American people.

Like Don jr talking about GameStop... Bitch, your dad is one of the main business brokers from the 80s, that creates the hedge fund ass holes short selling. There’s a fucking Cheers episode about it from the 80s, where Sam gets on what was supposed to be a great deal, but loses his money as he realizes during celebrating, that they were short sellers and he’s fucked.

The people who complain there are two set of rules for billionaires and the rest of us, that are Trump supporters... also donates millions, to a billionaire lying to them... flew on private jets, to fight for the little guy... were politicians and CEOs, flying to fight, because they don’t have a voice.

It’s a catamaran of idiots... who don’t understand that they are bored, not because liberals are eating babies... but, they have more privilege than they know what to do with... the solution to what Trump supporters need, is actually repeated by Trump as he dances... YMCA...

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Disliking the elite is, however, very valid.

After 4 years of Trump, you still don’t understand the folly of disliking “elites”? There is one thing to claim that you don’t understand how middle class Jews were considered elites in Nazi Germany. Because it’s such a distant concept... but, after 4 years of a billionaire oligarch, fighting the elites by fighting democracy it self? You might need to replace a light bulb...

Edit: Just to be clear, it’s a catamaran, because I think it’s the funniest sounding vehicle. Prove me wrong... no... really... I want to know more funny sounding vehicles... boondoggle sounds like a funny vehicle, but it isn’t...

[JohnBrown1917]

Both are delusional enough to see themselves as being against the elites, while supporting some of the elites.

Don't expect a reply.

You don't support the elite by cheering on elites losing a ton of money, that is not how it works. Nobody in the 'elite' got fucked over by Trump, this is not exactly a hard thing to get. Who gives a fuck that other hedgefunds also benefited of this?


Why are you defending billionare hedgefund managers? Oh I know you don't have an excuse, that is why your refusing to reply to this. You clearly can't handle that some people actually dislike the super rich. But you keep comparing anybody who is against the elite as the same sort of scum that fascists are, i'm sure it'll work out great and not make you seem like a billionare bootlicker or anything like that.

[Felya]

You don't support the elite by cheering on elites losing a ton of money, that is not how it works. Nobody in the 'elite' got fucked over by Trump, this is not exactly a hard thing to get. Who gives a fuck that other hedgefunds also benefited of this?

What? You as a leftist is an elite according to Trump and his supporters.

Why are you defending billionare hedgefund managers? Oh I know you don't have an excuse, that is why your refusing to reply to this.

Because you said elites, not hedge fund managers... think about that... just 2 min, think about why saying elites, protects hedge fund managers.

Oh I know you don't have an excuse, that is why your refusing to reply to this. You clearly can't handle that some people actually dislike the super rich. But you keep comparing anybody who is against the elite as the same sort of scum that fascists are, i'm sure it'll work out great and not make you seem like a billionare bootlicker or anything like that.

Sorry, I couldn’t resist...

[Forogil]

What? You as a leftist is an elite according to Trump and his supporters.

And he doesn't perceive himself as elite and thus cannot understand that others could see him in that way.

[Mekh]

When is the democrats going to condemn the antifa riots?

Why should Dems distance themselves from groups that are denouncing them? Create even more distance?

[Magical Mudcrab]

Oh my, it appears Trump's entire impeachment defense team has resigned. They wanted to argue against the legitimacy of convicting a former president, whereas he wanted them to argue that election fraud did occur. If this trial wasn't rigged in his favour, things would not be looking good for Senor Trump.

[Paranoid Android]

Smoking gun: The orders from Miller to the DC National Guard for January 6 included in linked article— is a must read. The DC guard were allowed no helmets, no body armor, no weapons. They were not allowed to stop or arrest protesters. Letter orders no interference with rioters



Smoking gun of them telling the National Guard to basically stand down.

[s_bushido]

Smoking gun of them telling the National Guard to basically stand down.

Unless you compare it to similar orders for similar events, this isn't really saying much of anything.

Sounds like it could be just standard procedure when they expect local law enforcement to be the primary security.

[Machismo]

Unless you compare it to similar orders for similar events, this isn't really saying much of anything.

Sounds like it could be just standard procedure when they expect local law enforcement to be the primary security.

I've seen orders like this... it basically makes them traffic control, and little more.

the big issue will be the protective equipment, as well as not being able to conduct searches/seizures. That means they cannot do much of anything.

Not being able to seek assistance from law enforcement... that's just bewildering.

[Paranoid Android]

I've seen orders like this... it basically makes them traffic control, and little more.

the big issue will be the protective equipment, as well as not being able to conduct searches/seizures. That means they cannot do much of anything.

Not being able to seek assistance from law enforcement... that's just bewildering.

I agree they, the National Guard, are given no authority here. Why? We could say of course they were Trump supporters so they were being protected. Perhaps maybe on the lines of being Trump supporters if this was a Left protest or they happened to be of a certain shade, we all know the National Guard would have been fully militarized.

[Thekri]

I agree they, the National Guard, are given no authority here. Why? We could say of course they were Trump supporters so they were being protected. Perhaps maybe on the lines of being Trump supporters if this was a Left protest or they happened to be of a certain shade, we all know the National Guard would have been fully militarized.

The national guard is not supposed to have such authority. The use of the US military against US citizens is a VERY big deal, and the military was extremely upset about their forced involvement in 2020. Everything on that list is barred by default from use against US citizens, although I disagree with holding the release authority at the DoD level, it does need to be held at some level.

The two main issues here are:
1) We did see the employment of several of these things the next day, which means that either Miller did release his hold, or else this order was ignored.
2) We did see the use of these things in the Capital last year, where it prompted considerable negative attention.

To me the most troubling aspect to compare this crisis with the previous federal response to BLM protests wasn't the use of the Guard (Which was severely, and appropriately, limited), it was the presence of all those unnamed federal assets in response to the BLM protests. We saw the deployment of uniformed personnel with no identification, we saw the employment of ISR assets with no public awareness of where the information was going, or who could see it. We saw people being arrested or struck by people who had no legally declared authority to do so (Since we don't know who they were). I absolutely want to see all that investigated. But the use of the Guard in both scenarios seems mostly ok.