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    Quote Originally Posted by Krakan View Post
    Alright so what are your solutions to this?
    This is such a bad-faith argument tactic.

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    The guy gets caught lying about people's posts for weeks, and now wants to try and simply put the argument back onto them, when he's ignored everything else up to this point.

    Make him go back and read everything else, first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krakan View Post
    Alright so what are your solutions to this?
    I'll just quote NoiseTank13's answer, which is the right one;
    Quote Originally Posted by NoiseTank13 View Post
    This is not Endus' responsibility, this is a question people as a collective should ask themselves who want change and come up with something they all agree with.

    Asking people what they (singular) would change isn't really productive. Everyone has differing opinions (regardless of similarity).
    As I said, systemic racism is a wicked problem, and any solution is going to be similarly wicked; there will be thousands of different "solutions", none of which can succeed on their own.

    I'm not silly enough to claim I can speak best for every disadvantaged group as to what would best serve their needs, because I'm not going to let you bait me into some racist White Saviour bullshit, thanks.

    A necessary first step is to admit that the problem exists and should be addressed, however. And that's what I said, in the post you took such offense to. That is what you had a problem with; not even with any specific solution, but just admitting that the problem exists.

    You're just shifting goalposts to try and avoid defending your own point of view. Another dishonest tactic after you flatly lying about my post didn't work out for you.


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    A retired firefighter has been arrested in connection to throwing a fire extinguisher... the guy who killed the cop with a fire extinguisher, might have been a firefighter. Trump reality is fucking insane...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    A retired firefighter has been arrested in connection to throwing a fire extinguisher... the guy who killed the cop with a fire extinguisher, might have been a firefighter. Trump reality is fucking insane...
    The number of current/former first responders and military who attended is genuinely concerning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    This is such a bad-faith argument tactic.
    Why? He wants to really push equality but squirms when you press him on how exactly he wants to do so..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    A retired firefighter has been arrested in connection to throwing a fire extinguisher... the guy who killed the cop with a fire extinguisher, might have been a firefighter. Trump reality is fucking insane...
    is it great yet?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    I'll just quote NoiseTank13's answer, which is the right one;


    As I said, systemic racism is a wicked problem, and any solution is going to be similarly wicked; there will be thousands of different "solutions", none of which can succeed on their own.

    I'm not silly enough to claim I can speak best for every disadvantaged group as to what would best serve their needs, because I'm not going to let you bait me into some racist White Saviour bullshit, thanks.

    A necessary first step is to admit that the problem exists and should be addressed, however. And that's what I said, in the post you took such offense to. That is what you had a problem with; not even with any specific solution, but just admitting that the problem exists.

    You're just shifting goalposts to try and avoid defending your own point of view. Another dishonest tactic after you flatly lying about my post didn't work out for you.
    So af best I can write you down as needing to do something wicked to try and course correct for the past? So after all these words you are once again going for the sin's of the father?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krakan View Post
    Why? He wants to really push equality but squirms when you press him on how exactly he wants to do so..
    Take anthropogenic climate change.

    It exists. It's a problem. We can discuss it. If others say it doesn't exist, we can tell them that they're wrong.

    What's the solution? Well, most of us aren't policy makers. We're also not scientists, even though we can understand the science. So we're not the people who should be coming up with solutions, and "expectation" that if you are to discuss a problem then you must have a solution is a bad-faith argumentative tactic often used to attempt to shut down discussion of the topic at all.

    In this case, it appears you're using the demand for a "solution" to this problem to discount that the problem even really exists/is serious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    A retired firefighter has been arrested in connection to throwing a fire extinguisher... the guy who killed the cop with a fire extinguisher, might have been a firefighter. Trump reality is fucking insane...
    Oh you want more? Perhaps the smoking gun.


    .This from an FBI affidavit: The man accused of hitting multiple police officers in the head with a fire extinguisher had listened to Trump’s speech “and then had followed the President’s instructions and gone to the Capitol.” https://t.co/3UVomAFq6F
    https://twitter.com/mlafferty1/statu...124199429?s=19

    He admits Trump rhetoric led him to violence and insurrection.

    This must be the #1 evidence presented in the Senate trial.
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    Where do we go to have the thread title changed?
    Calling it an insurrection or rebellion really romanticizes what happened.

    It was an Attempted Coup by Domestic Terrorists and McMansion Owners.
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    That stupid congresswoman who believes in QAnon is wearing a face mask that says censorship, while speaking into microphone on the floor of Congress.

    It is hard to get stupider than that.

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    https://thehill.com/policy/national-...pitol-arrested

    Confederate flag guy got pinched.

    Man, I've never been so happy to see so many snitches everywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    https://thehill.com/policy/national-...pitol-arrested

    Confederate flag guy got pinched.

    Man, I've never been so happy to see so many snitches everywhere.
    That's the thing about being an obnoxious braggart who supports white supremacy, and trolls the internet. There's going to be a lot of people wo know exactly who you are, and would be glad to send your ass to jail for your crimes.

    I love this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krakan View Post
    So af best I can write you down as needing to do something wicked to try and course correct for the past? So after all these words you are once again going for the sin's of the father?
    Congrats, you don't even understand what's meant by a "wicked problem", despite me deliberately linking you to the Wikipedia for the term when I used it.

    You have nothing but lies, because your apparent purpose here is to push a white supremacist agenda, nothing more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    https://thehill.com/policy/national-...pitol-arrested

    Confederate flag guy got pinched.

    Man, I've never been so happy to see so many snitches everywhere.
    Over 100,000 pieces of digital evidence sent to the FBI after they asked for help identifying suspects at the insurrection; https://www.theverge.com/2021/1/12/2...mp-riot-attack

    Get fucked, you Nazi pieces of shit.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    Congrats, you don't even understand what's meant by a "wicked problem", despite me deliberately linking you to the Wikipedia for the term when I used it.

    You have nothing but lies, because your apparent purpose here is to push a white supremacist agenda, nothing more.

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    Over 100,000 pieces of digital evidence sent to the FBI after they asked for help identifying suspects at the insurrection; https://www.theverge.com/2021/1/12/2...mp-riot-attack

    Get fucked, you Nazi pieces of shit.
    That's not even getting into the mountain of cell phone data they will be going through in the next few months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    That's not even getting into the mountain of cell phone data they will be going through in the next few months.
    Or the 80TB of Parler data that was yoinked, which I'm sure a copy of will make their way into their hands.


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    It's like we need a separate thread to contain all of the salty tears and FBI perp walks
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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    Or the 80TB of Parler data that was yoinked, which I'm sure a copy of will make their way into their hands.
    That data is already archived publicly.


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