Capitol Insurrection / rebellion thread

[Paranoid Android]

Smoking gun: The orders from Miller to the DC National Guard for January 6 included in linked article— is a must read. The DC guard were allowed no helmets, no body armor, no weapons. They were not allowed to stop or arrest protesters. Letter orders no interference with rioters



Smoking gun of them telling the National Guard to basically stand down.

[s_bushido]

Smoking gun of them telling the National Guard to basically stand down.

Unless you compare it to similar orders for similar events, this isn't really saying much of anything.

Sounds like it could be just standard procedure when they expect local law enforcement to be the primary security.

[Machismo]

Unless you compare it to similar orders for similar events, this isn't really saying much of anything.

Sounds like it could be just standard procedure when they expect local law enforcement to be the primary security.

I've seen orders like this... it basically makes them traffic control, and little more.

the big issue will be the protective equipment, as well as not being able to conduct searches/seizures. That means they cannot do much of anything.

Not being able to seek assistance from law enforcement... that's just bewildering.

[Paranoid Android]

I've seen orders like this... it basically makes them traffic control, and little more.

the big issue will be the protective equipment, as well as not being able to conduct searches/seizures. That means they cannot do much of anything.

Not being able to seek assistance from law enforcement... that's just bewildering.

I agree they, the National Guard, are given no authority here. Why? We could say of course they were Trump supporters so they were being protected. Perhaps maybe on the lines of being Trump supporters if this was a Left protest or they happened to be of a certain shade, we all know the National Guard would have been fully militarized.

[Thekri]

I agree they, the National Guard, are given no authority here. Why? We could say of course they were Trump supporters so they were being protected. Perhaps maybe on the lines of being Trump supporters if this was a Left protest or they happened to be of a certain shade, we all know the National Guard would have been fully militarized.

The national guard is not supposed to have such authority. The use of the US military against US citizens is a VERY big deal, and the military was extremely upset about their forced involvement in 2020. Everything on that list is barred by default from use against US citizens, although I disagree with holding the release authority at the DoD level, it does need to be held at some level.

The two main issues here are:
1) We did see the employment of several of these things the next day, which means that either Miller did release his hold, or else this order was ignored.
2) We did see the use of these things in the Capital last year, where it prompted considerable negative attention.

To me the most troubling aspect to compare this crisis with the previous federal response to BLM protests wasn't the use of the Guard (Which was severely, and appropriately, limited), it was the presence of all those unnamed federal assets in response to the BLM protests. We saw the deployment of uniformed personnel with no identification, we saw the employment of ISR assets with no public awareness of where the information was going, or who could see it. We saw people being arrested or struck by people who had no legally declared authority to do so (Since we don't know who they were). I absolutely want to see all that investigated. But the use of the Guard in both scenarios seems mostly ok.

[Shadowferal]

That's a good piece for the dems. Whether or not it's standard...it's still something that doesn't look good in the public eye.

[Dontrike]

Oh my, it appears Trump's entire impeachment defense team has resigned. They wanted to argue against the legitimacy of convicting a former president, whereas he wanted them to argue that election fraud did occur. If this trial wasn't rigged in his favour, things would not be looking good for Senor Trump.

[video=youtube;JkyA9wkAazE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkyA9wkAazE&ab_channel=CNN[/vido]

If we're lucky they'll keep that strategy and make it easier to convict him.

[zorkuus]

If we're lucky they'll keep that strategy and make it easier to convict him.

tRump himself along with all of his lawyers could be screaming "he's guilty" at the top of their lungs, and the senate republicans would still not vote to convict.

[Dontrike]

tRump himself along with all of his lawyers could be screaming "he's guilty" at the top of their lungs, and the senate republicans would still not vote to convict.

Very true.

[Paranoid Android]

Republicans wondering right now if they should condemn the Myanmar/Burma coup or cheer it. Many better be careful on what they say.

[Edge-]

https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden...60d73b16928faa

U.S. Magistrate Judge Zia Faruqui on Friday threatened Griffin with contempt of court if he fails to appear in coming days at a detention hearing by phone or video conference. He notes that Griffin has been yelling at officers and banging on his jail cell door.

Refuses to take a covid test and is verbally abusive of law enforcement? BACK THE BLUE! BLUE LIVES MATTER! Except not really.

[Bodakane]

Republicans wondering right now if they should condemn the Myanmar/Burma coup or cheer it. Many better be careful on what they say.

You say that as if they are worried about appearing as hypocritical.

[Santti]

https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden...60d73b16928faa



Refuses to take a covid test and is verbally abusive of law enforcement? BACK THE BLUE! BLUE LIVES MATTER! Except not really.

"Cowboys for Trump"? Oh dear.

[Poopymonster]

Republicans wondering right now if they should condemn the Myanmar/Burma coup or cheer it. Many better be careful on what they say.

They'll say nothing. Bet your sweet bippy they're taking notes though.

[Adam Jensen]

Smoking gun: The orders from Miller to the DC National Guard for January 6 included in linked article— is a must read. The DC guard were allowed no helmets, no body armor, no weapons. They were not allowed to stop or arrest protesters. Letter orders no interference with rioters



Smoking gun of them telling the National Guard to basically stand down.

WTF.

Right wing crowd of crazed drooling magahats in a bloodlust? "No weapons, no riot gear, nothing."

BLM activists standing in a road blocking Trump's path to a church for a photo op? "Bring in the flash grenades and the smoke bombs"

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tRump himself along with all of his lawyers could be screaming "he's guilty" at the top of their lungs, and the senate republicans would still not vote to convict.

At most Susan Collins will be "concerned" as she votes to acquit.

[Zan15]

forgot there was a separate thread....



OMG the irony


https://www.huffpost.com/entry/capit...b6bde2f5c1d50b
https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/01/us/ca...nvs/index.html

It turns out that some of the people who stormed the U.S Capitol on Jan. 6 in hopes of overturning the presidential election didn’t even vote, according to a new CNN analysis.

CNN reviewed voting records of people arrested for their involvement in the insurrection, and determined that at least eight of those facing criminal charges didn’t vote in the presidential election.

[D Luniz]

Unless you compare it to similar orders for similar events, this isn't really saying much of anything.

Sounds like it could be just standard procedure when they expect local law enforcement to be the primary security.

that claim goes out the window when they did this with BLM

[Kellhound]

that claim goes out the window when they did this with BLM

Picture seems to show unarmed MPs in normal military body armor, not riot gear (beyond CBR masks in pouches).

[Machismo]

Picture seems to show unarmed MPs in normal military body armor, not riot gear (beyond CBR masks in pouches).

And the first part of the order says no body armor or helmets.

[Kellhound]

And the first part of the order says no body armor or helmets.

Which would have minimal effect on their ability to provide security. Neither group had any offensive means. Guys in nothing but shorts and sandals but armed with night sticks would have been a massive upgrade to either force. Better yet, both times they should have been armed with fixed bayonets.