I know its day 1, but who is Twisting actually for?

[Zyrinx]

Listen I'm not earths best player or best geared, but I play BM Hunter, have for 15 years, and my gear is like 188. So its not like I'm in greens.

Went into Twisting, started totally trivial, floor 12 boss was pretty hard.. had to do a few turtle/pet res combos, okay sure, floor 13 trash, first pull, ate me alive 5 deaths in 5 minutes. I was like, am I on a different layer here or something?

That floor to floor scaling seemed whack to me. The Elite Trash suddenly spawned in pairs, chain feared, and had 500k health. I mean i had like 40 anima powers at that point but dead is dead and you cant play much defense against that.

So like 1) is that what people are seeing and 2) this is "for" people in Raid Gear or higher to even have a hope? On layer _one_?

[Orwell7]

Yeah we are really used to eat content the moment is fresh..

Blizzard could communicate better, as their "hard" nowadays means 6-10 seconds of fear, stun and silences plus insane number scaling.
If they want it to be completed in ilvl 300, then tell us.

[Aphrel]

i think its suppose to be an optional challenge like the mage tower in legion.

Managed to clear Layer 7 on beta (was a 3hour 15min long run xD). And i had absolute dogshit gear then. Unless its been retuned i anticipate no problems in clearing it all next reset.

[Ehrenpanzer]

i think its suppose to be an optional challenge like the mage tower in legion.

Managed to clear Layer 7 on beta (was a 3hour 15min long run xD). And i had absolute dogshit gear then. Unless its been retuned i anticipate no problems in clearing it all next reset.

Like the other wings of Boreghast, it all depends on your class and spec. Hunters/DH/Monks are having a hell of a time based on anima abilities while classes like Warlocks and Druids and Pallies are just yoloing it

[schwarzkopf]

i think its suppose to be an optional challenge like the mage tower in legion..

Well - layer 1 is currently impossible for many people AND it isn't currently optional based on in game info.

However - people are saying you can repeat the first 6 floors to finish the mandatory stuff, so the rest can be what tanks do to show off.

[Kikazz]

Like the other wings of Boreghast, it all depends on your class and spec. Hunters/DH/Monks are having a hell of a time based on anima abilities while classes like Warlocks and Druids and Pallies are just yoloing it

ill have you know as a druid i didnt YOLO it as you so eloquently put it,

i slept through it...

but who would have guessed blizzard not getting scaling after 16 years.

[fear]

i think its suppose to be an optional challenge like the mage tower in legion.

Managed to clear Layer 7 on beta (was a 3hour 15min long run xD). And i had absolute dogshit gear then. Unless its been retuned i anticipate no problems in clearing it all next reset.

Layer 1 18th floor boss has the hp of the beta layer 8 so it's pretty massively changed. I wouldn't be shocked to see layer 8's being 10-12million hp now...

I'm not sure this will (get to and beating layer 8) be doable as is. On a broken balance druid doing 200k dps I only got as far as layer 4's 18th boss which had 4.8million and melee'd me for 55k with barkskin up. The hp and dmg is scaling way higher than beta making it not really possible even with the best rng on powers with a broken torghast spec.

Now if you have one of normal specs for torghast gl killing these you need insane dmg and healing to pull this off.

[Dakara]

Just finished on my Druid... didn’t keep note of the time but I’d say was a solid 1:30-2:00. The TLDR is the higher floors just feel “off” and the last boss was a nightmare.

Due to the Anima power RNG, I was running a roots build with mass entangle. Basically I’d mass entangle a pack and burst down the main elite while the adds slowly died to roots damage. Then, all of sudden around floor 12(ish), Roots was breaking 100% of the time on the first tick. Didn’t matter how I applied roots, (Single cast, mass entangle or Auto-cast from Ironbark/fur) it would break every time on the first tick basically making those powers worthless (yes I also had 2x 300% extra damage before roots break).

Knowing how hard bosses could be, I’d also gone for a lot of ST Anima powers, so with my roots breaking (Which was my main AOE With mass entangle), I decided to stealth the majority of the last few floors, only killing mobs with Animals cells (had to power to see them) and getting chests etc

By Floor 18, I was doing some serious burst (boomy) with Convoke... but it wasn’t enough and I died 3 times to the last boss who had ~3mil HP. I managed to kill it on my last life kiting while Treants were on CD, but the stacking buff was easily high enough to 1 shot me.

Admittedly I did have fun, but was tainted by the following:
1.) My AOE Anima powers basically stopped working from 1 floor to the next. I have no idea why.
2.) Mob Scaling was way off. When roots would no longer work, Starfall and DoT’s weren’t enough as mobs could 2-3 shot me with ironbark / ironfur which forced me into stealth.
3.) If you do wipe in the upper floors or on the last boss, over an hour of your time, if not more, has been entirely wasted.

And that was only layer 1 for the Anduin quest.

[yomammyass]

Listen I'm not earths best player or best geared, but I play BM Hunter, have for 15 years, and my gear is like 188. So its not like I'm in greens.

Went into Twisting, started totally trivial, floor 12 boss was pretty hard.. had to do a few turtle/pet res combos, okay sure, floor 13 trash, first pull, ate me alive 5 deaths in 5 minutes. I was like, am I on a different layer here or something?

That floor to floor scaling seemed whack to me. The Elite Trash suddenly spawned in pairs, chain feared, and had 500k health. I mean i had like 40 anima powers at that point but dead is dead and you cant play much defense against that.

So like 1) is that what people are seeing and 2) this is "for" people in Raid Gear or higher to even have a hope? On layer _one_?

No offense , but your ilvl is dogshit. People are now 205-210+ not to mention this reset will give more ilvls. I never raided this expansion and I have 207 already. Whats your excuse?

I remember the cries of players on wow forums about the mage tower. "Omg nerf nerf" yet their ilvl was shit with time more people did it.

[clevin]

No offense (proceeds to be an offensive jerk).

If you mostly do M0 or low keys you're not going to be in 210. If you haven't raided you've been doing higher (5-10) keys. 180-190 is what most people who play casually (heroics, M0, LFR) will have.

[Squigglyo]

The way everyones talking about it makes it seem like its a solo thing


Is it a solo only thing???

[writejsk]

No offense , but your ilvl is dogshit. People are now 205-210+ not to mention this reset will give more ilvls. I never raided this expansion and I have 207 already. Whats your excuse?

You start with no offense, and then proceed to say complete aggressive things that are almost entirely meant to belittle the OP. Some of you guys need to chill and snap back to reality.

[Dziubla]

No offense (proceeds to be an offensive jerk).

If you mostly do M0 or low keys you're not going to be in 210. If you haven't raided you've been doing higher (5-10) keys.

No, he proceeds to be realistic (jerk or otherwise, but still). OP opens with "I'm not in questing greens", only to tell us he's basically in questing purples. Campaign gear right now gives 184/190ilvl, so 188 is basically 0 group content done. And if you haven't done any group content at all, then you should not expect to fare even remotely well in what is supposed to be a challenge mode of Torghast, especially on day one, while a lot of stuff still needs fixing, and before the inevitable nerfs which we all know will come after enough whining from casuals is done. I expect even geared people to struggle, so it's absolutely no wonder that if you're severely undergeared you won't be able to do much, and guess what - that's perfectly fine. Not all content is aimed at all types of players.

They already covered it with normal torghast layers, where they wanted the higher layers to be only for people with better gear, and compared it to like m10-15 or whatever, but since they failed to communicate it beforehand, players' expectations were widely different, and blizzard had to "adapt", that is nerf torghast into oblivion so even 150ilvl Donalds can clear l8 without much issues. Similar thing will happen to Corridors sooner or later, but right now, if you want to stand any chance, I would definitely recommend actually gearing up.

The way everyones talking about it makes it seem like its a solo thing


Is it a solo only thing???

no, same as other wings, scales up to 5

[Lucetia]

Yeah we are really used to eat content the moment is fresh..

Blizzard could communicate better, as their "hard" nowadays means 6-10 seconds of fear, stun and silences plus insane number scaling.
If they want it to be completed in ilvl 300, then tell us.

Well Ion did mention that if you are going to do Twisting Corridors you want to be fully epic'ed in order to survive. With that said I didn't find Layer 1 that challenging at all and took 90 minutes. There was a mob or two that caused slight issues, but that was it.

The one thing I did notice is that traps will 1 shot you regardless.

[Lei]

Just finished on my Druid... didn’t keep note of the time but I’d say was a solid 1:30-2:00. The TLDR is the higher floors just feel “off” and the last boss was a nightmare.

Due to the Anima power RNG, I was running a roots build with mass entangle. Basically I’d mass entangle a pack and burst down the main elite while the adds slowly died to roots damage. Then, all of sudden around floor 12(ish), Roots was breaking 100% of the time on the first tick. Didn’t matter how I applied roots, (Single cast, mass entangle or Auto-cast from Ironbark/fur) it would break every time on the first tick basically making those powers worthless (yes I also had 2x 300% extra damage before roots break).

Knowing how hard bosses could be, I’d also gone for a lot of ST Anima powers, so with my roots breaking (Which was my main AOE With mass entangle), I decided to stealth the majority of the last few floors, only killing mobs with Animals cells (had to power to see them) and getting chests etc

By Floor 18, I was doing some serious burst (boomy) with Convoke... but it wasn’t enough and I died 3 times to the last boss who had ~3mil HP. I managed to kill it on my last life kiting while Treants were on CD, but the stacking buff was easily high enough to 1 shot me.

Admittedly I did have fun, but was tainted by the following:
1.) My AOE Anima powers basically stopped working from 1 floor to the next. I have no idea why.
2.) Mob Scaling was way off. When roots would no longer work, Starfall and DoT’s weren’t enough as mobs could 2-3 shot me with ironbark / ironfur which forced me into stealth.
3.) If you do wipe in the upper floors or on the last boss, over an hour of your time, if not more, has been entirely wasted.

And that was only layer 1 for the Anduin quest.

This is the first valuable feedback in this thread. Hope the devs are getting info like this in masses so they can do something about it.

[clevin]

No, he proceeds to be realistic (jerk or otherwise, but still)

No, it's not many keys of any kind done. M0 gives, what 184? 187? Even the campaign stuff will leave you 25 levels below that.

You're not going to be fully 210+ unless you've been spamming something in the 5-8 key range. You might have several pieces, but we're talking about fully decked out in 207 or so, or having enough higher level pieces to compensate for some 187s, etc.

But it's not what he said,(that 190 or so is under geared for Twisting), it's the smary, assholish way he said it, while trying to cover his ass with "No offense".

[Poppincaps]

I've done Layers 1, 2, and 3 in Twisting today and I gotta say.... it's kinda bullshit. Now keep in mind that this is coming from someone who cleared all 3 layers without wiping, but I did come very close to dying a few times and I basically felt like there was no counter play at that point. The stacking buff that elites get is complete bullshit and torghast really doesn't feel that skill based. It's basically - is your build good enough that you can crush everything? If not, then gg kid that's an hour or more of your life wasted.

I wonder if Blizzard has actually played a Rogue-like before, because every Rogue-like I've ever played has a massive skill component. Sure, getting lucky with powers or the procedural maps can definitely help, but I'm sure someone could beat Binding of Isaac with no powers whatsoever. That is simply not possible for Torghast, because a large portion of the damage you'll take is completely unavoidable. For example: A caster mob that spams volley. As a Hunter I can interrupt 1, stun another, but after that I can't do anything to stop the casts. So I either have to kill it before it kills me or I die.

When I did Layer 2 I got pretty insane traits and completely destroyed the entire thing. I don't really feel like I'm getting better at Torghast, I just feel like when I walk in I have to hope I get enough decent enough traits by Floor 12 or I'm fucked.

[craigw]

play prot pally, destroyed that shit. was fun to. interrupts are so important, cant stress that enough. really sucks having a 24 sec CD, 1 minute CD, or NO interrupt at all. that could make it a way different scenario. good luck and if you arent having fun then stop gear some more give it another go.

[GreenJesus]

i think its suppose to be an optional challenge like the mage tower in legion.

Managed to clear Layer 7 on beta (was a 3hour 15min long run xD). And i had absolute dogshit gear then. Unless its been retuned i anticipate no problems in clearing it all next reset.

Ion Fuzzy koalas said that the twisting corridors were made harder on live compared to beta.

[Paperfox]

There have been a large number of complaint threads on the wow forums, and sadly it seems ActiBlizz's customers are being ignored there too.

So it seems the most likely response will be: It's working as intended.