Deplatform Parler good or bad?

[Zython]

This is the same kind of reductive dismissiveness that doesn't go anywhere. Libs think it's conservatives complaining, Cons think they're being intentionally blind (partisan blinders). So be it.

It is. Leftists get deplatformed all the time, and none of you care. The left starts using these tactics against wealthy rapists, and suddenly it's the end of civilization as we know it. You people don't care about free speech. You just like wealthy rapists.

[Shalcker]

https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...on-child-abuse

"After NYT article".

While the company acknowledged the severity of the accusations, it noted the campaign to crackdown on Pornhub comes from groups that have long campaigned against sex content of all kinds. In its statement, Pornhub said it is “being targeted not because of our policies and how we compare to our peers, but because we are an adult content platform”.

The groups spearheading the effort to police Pornhub include the anti-pornography groups the National Center on Sexual Exploitation (formerly known as Morality in Media) and Exodus Cry/TraffickingHub.

In the last three years, Facebook self-reported 84m instances of child sexual abuse material. During that same period, the independent, third-party Internet Watch Foundation reported 118 incidents on Pornhub.

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The National Center on Sexual Exploitation (NCOSE), formerly organized as Morality in Media (MIM) before changing its structure, is an American non-profit known for its anti-pornography stance and anti-sex trafficking advocacy based on abolitionist principles. When it was MIM, versions of the group once campaigned against obscenity, sex shops and sex toys, decriminalization of sex work, comprehensive sex education, and various works of literature or visual arts the organization has deemed obscene, profane or indecent. Formerly a part of the religious right, the group once was primarily Catholic but now describes itself as "nonpartisan and nonsectarian." Transformed into the National Center on Sexual Exploitation in 2015, the group's current president is Patrick A. Trueman and the organization describes its goal as "exposing the links between all forms of sexual exploitation".

After becoming NCOSE and modernizing its message to the intersectionality of different forms of sexual exploitation, the group has stated that pornography constitutes a public health crisis though this claim is yet to be backed by any global health agency.

Exodus Cry is a non-profit Christian advocacy organization seeking the abolition of the legal commercial sex industry, including pornography, strip clubs and sex work, and illegal sex trafficking.

Getting corporations carry the water for religious right? Yeah, that is going to end so well. /s

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You should have been their lawyer and fought the investigation results, instead of complying with the investigation and removing the illegal content voluntarily.

They looked at results of journalistic (not law enforcement) investigation and updated their policies accordingly.

The problem - this compliance didn't actually help.

[Zan15]

Look at message to which i was responding and try again.

PornHub broke no ToS with Visa as their conduct being unlawful have never been proven in a court of law.

Which they did the entire time.

So wait, sorry maybe I am slow but are you saying you have to wait till they are convicted of breaking a law to kick them off your service/hosting/payment/etc?
That would basically allow them to continue doing the illegal activity for years till its settled in court in some cases.


I know the contracts allow them to not have to wait, which is a good thing especially in the examples you are talking about.

[Lenonis]

It has been demonstrated that Amazon sees it as their job to monitor what is being posted on sites hosted by their infrastructure "personally", without deferring to any "actual authority figures" - as seen by their pre-takedown correspondence with Parler.

They don't have "personal" power of arrest, but the do have ability and consider it their job to do monitoring.

"it's not the companies' job to monitor them" seems to be categorically false - they do see it as their job.

You are describing literally every business. McDonald's monitors their customers and kicks them out for loitering, inappropriate attire, acting drunk and/or disorderly, and so on. Are they acting like "actual authority figures"?

You are working so hard to make Amazon some sort of exceptional bad guy when in reality they are acting like every other business does.

Obvious agenda is obvious.

[Edge-]

Look at message to which i was responding and try again.

PornHub broke no ToS with Visa as their conduct being unlawful have never been proven in a court of law.

Damn man, guess we can't do anything but leave videos of under-age porn and sexual abuse/exploitation and hosting massive amounts of illegal paid content for free until the years-long process goes through courts, because I guess companies aren't allowed to execute their contacts unless the courts are involved? Sorry, victims, but you just need to wait to have your abuse videos taken down because "FREEZE PEACH".

Seriously, the more you post the more it seems that contract law literally doesn't exist as a concept in Russia, or at least your neck of the woods.

[Zan15]

"After NYT article".

While the company acknowledged the severity of the accusations, it noted the campaign to crackdown on Pornhub comes from groups that have long campaigned against sex content of all kinds. In its statement, Pornhub said it is “being targeted not because of our policies and how we compare to our peers, but because we are an adult content platform”.

The groups spearheading the effort to police Pornhub include the anti-pornography groups the National Center on Sexual Exploitation (formerly known as Morality in Media) and Exodus Cry/TraffickingHub.

In the last three years, Facebook self-reported 84m instances of child sexual abuse material. During that same period, the independent, third-party Internet Watch Foundation reported 118 incidents on Pornhub.

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umm taken in context are we not talking about trillions of post vs millions?

After their little purge pornhub only had 3 million video's.
I would say facebook probably does that in a half a day? one day?

From what i can see facebook has about 300-400 million pictures posted a day.
Video #'s are harder to find but they are in the hundreds of thousands since most are very short.



One should expect there to be way more instances reported on facebook just based on the type of web site/service it is.

That and there is way more focus on investigating and monitoring Facebook than pornhub
Imaging investigation and reporting has all but been made automated. That is where most of the reports come from. Pornhub does not host images.



I guess they were not looking that hard cause pornhub took down 10 million video's. I think there must have been a few more than 118 problems

[Egomaniac]

I never thought that "I don't want to do business with companies that allow violent nazis and child pornography on their sites" would be controversial...but here we are.

[Machismo]

I never thought that "I don't want to do business with companies that allow violent nazis and child pornography on their sites" would be controversial...but here we are.

People will do anything to shill for Trump and his followers.

That line that people always hope existed, the one where those people wouldn't cross? It doesn't exist.

Let's not forget, this is all to defend Nazis. Imagine clutching at pearls, steadfastly opposing the First Amendment... all to shill for fucking Nazis.

[Felya]

They looked at results of journalistic (not law enforcement) investigation and updated their policies accordingly.

The problem - this compliance didn't actually help.

Uhm... are you suggesting those videos were legitimate, based on TOS? You think if TOS doesn’t mention under age porn, you can just post it? Are you sure about that?

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Damn man, guess we can't do anything but leave videos of under-age porn and sexual abuse/exploitation and hosting massive amounts of illegal paid content for free until the years-long process goes through courts, because I guess companies aren't allowed to execute their contacts unless the courts are involved? Sorry, victims, but you just need to wait to have your abuse videos taken down because "FREEZE PEACH".

Seriously, the more you post the more it seems that contract law literally doesn't exist as a concept in Russia, or at least your neck of the woods.

Reminder, in Russia, you can’t show men holding hands on TV.

[Zan15]

I never thought that "I don't want to do business with companies that allow violent nazis and child pornography on their sites" would be controversial...but here we are.

You don't you just need to wait 26 months to stop doing business with them according to some people's logic /s



What harm could they cause in 26 months???

[Aphelios]

You guys better leave Pornhub out of this.

[Egomaniac]

You guys better leave Pornhub out of this.

too late /10

[szechuan]

You guys better leave Pornhub out of this.

Blame the religious zealots and the Anti-Porn Lobbyists.

"The National Center on Sexual Exploitation was founded Catholics and campaigned against porn, as well as sex shops and sex toys, and decriminalization of sex work."

[Santti]

Blame the religious zealots and the Anti-Porn Lobbyists.

"The National Center on Sexual Exploitation was founded Catholics and campaigned against porn, as well as sex shops and sex toys, and decriminalization of sex work."

I can kinda sorta understand being against porn, but what the hell is wrong with sex toys? I have no doubt that these are the kind of people nobody wants to have sex with in the first place.

[Masark]

I can kinda sorta understand being against porn, but what the hell is wrong with sex toys?

Incoherent christian babbling about lust and sin.

[Zan15]

I can kinda sorta understand being against porn, but what the hell is wrong with sex toys? I have no doubt that these are the kind of people nobody wants to have sex with in the first place.

read about the group they are really fucking nutty.

In the 1990s, the organization attacked the National Endowment for the Arts for funding what it deemed as obscene and profane art.
[1] The group also pressured adult stores by picketing them, contacting landlords and prosecutors and by lobbying for changes in zoning laws.
[24] In 1992, the group called for a boycott of all Time Warner products due to the publication of Madonna's book Sex.
[25] In the mid-1990s, MIM was part of a religious boycott campaign against The Walt Disney Company.
[26] The organization was an active supporter of the 1996 Communications Decency Act, although the group stated that many of its proposals were not implemented.
[27] After the Supreme Court struck down the law as unconstitutional in Reno v. American Civil Liberties Union, MIM began advocating for internet filters.
[27] Primarily Catholic,[28] the organization joined other groups in the religious right to criticize the Waxman report, which found that abstinence-only sex education programs were unscientific and contained false information.
[29] MIM has argued that safer-sex information is indecent
In 2015, the organization successfully pressured Walmart to remove Cosmopolitan from its checkout aisles


they Once affiliated with the Christian Coalition, an even bigger group of nutty.

[Felya]

I can kinda sorta understand being against porn, but what the hell is wrong with sex toys? I have no doubt that these are the kind of people nobody wants to have sex with in the first place.

I am not going to go into it, but there is a reasonable argument that all the issues for the porn consumer, are related to the very stigma created by prohibition. For performers, it’s different...

[Egomaniac]

I can kinda sorta understand being against porn, but what the hell is wrong with sex toys? I have no doubt that these are the kind of people nobody wants to have sex with in the first place.

Well, these are the people that think Sex is only supposed to be for procreation. Sex Toys are for pleasure only and therefore evil.

[Endus]

Well, these are the people that think Sex is only supposed to be for procreation. Sex Toys are for pleasure only and therefore evil.

Honestly, I have to wonder if the "sex is only for procreation" movement emerged because of closeted gay people in unhappy hetero marriages doing what they felt was their marital duty and nothing more. They can't enjoy hetero sex, so they try and attack anyone who does, because they're jealous and hate themselves for their dirty, dirty urges.

It's just kind of pathetic once you see that connection.

[Egomaniac]

Honestly, I have to wonder if the "sex is only for procreation" movement emerged because of closeted gay people in unhappy hetero marriages doing what they felt was their marital duty and nothing more. They can't enjoy hetero sex, so they try and attack anyone who does, because they're jealous and hate themselves for their dirty, dirty urges.

It's just kind of pathetic once you see that connection.

Oh man. I have a feeling that if we were to really dig into the origins of that movement...we would discover all kinds of unsettling shit.