Why is no one mad about workers rights?

[downnola]

The solution is to stop focusing on manufactured outrage and personal hatred, and try and reform the system. Bur you have someone like Edge on every political forum posting "Trump is bad" tweets literally 24/7, and it is very difficult to change that narrative.

Yeah, good luck "changing the narrative" when Qanon followers like Ed Mullins lead the anti-labor charge in America. How horrible it must be for you to look across the Atlantic and see Teamster strikes being broken up with arrests and not being able to point your self-righteous finger at the Democrats. It's almost like you don't know jack shit about labor in the United States nor have any understanding of why we live in the hyper-capitalist hellscape that we do.

[thuips]

woosh went right over your head

No it didn't go over my head, idiot. The meaning of "what has that got to do with the price of tea in china" is a snide implication that your comments are irrelevant.

Whether you agree with it or not, you would have to be functionally retarded to believe the issues I raised were not directly relevant to the subject matter. Neither you nor Calfredd even understand your own phrases much less use them correctly.

I notice that both you and Calfredd/beanman do this a lot, you imply that you have some special wisdom that others do not, but both of you exhibit very low levels of education, to the point where you would be literally considered formally retarded in most developed nations. Limited vocabulary, not even an attempt at proper syntax, incapably of writing more than one sentence at a time. I suspect you unemployed or are part-time manual labourers, and don't understand how to concept without using textspeak.

I'm just pointing this out because it is painfully obvious to everyone what your intellectual limitations are, and it makes you look ridiculous when you attempt some form of intellectual snobbery.

[Twdft]

ye especially those who work in US in diners/restuarants who have to beg for tips because their employers refuse to pay them fairly for their work

Small example what's possible with good workers rights: in Germany a parent gets up to 10 days off work per years if their child is sick and nobody else can care for it. 90% of wages paid by health insurance, employer doesn't pay for these 10 days but can't refuse this time off and also can't fire.

[BeepBoo]

Because Americans are raised and conditioned to believe in the American dream, and that one day YOU can become the boss and order all you want over your slav...sorry, employees. Also, corporations are good guys and only wants what's best for you.

I grew up on the "american dream" and never once had any of this stuff as an idea. The "American Dream" to me always meant "go to college, get degree in stem, have stable career, own house in suburbia, two car+ garage, 2000sqft+, two kids, dog, cat, sports car, etc."

The biggest joke of all is at-will employments.

You realize it also affords the employee the same right to just up and leave at any time? I suppose you're someone who assumes that no one would ever want to leave a nice stable job, though. That's the mindset of a bottom feeder with no ambition who just wants to coast and be comfortable. Literal worst type of human IMO.

The U.S is the land of the employer, not the employee.

This is simply not true in markets that need actual brains to participate.

[Calfredd]

I'm just pointing this out because it is painfully obvious to everyone what your intellectual limitations are, and it makes you look ridiculous when you attempt some form of intellectual snobbery.

Says the guy spamming accounts to post intellectual snobbery. Since you didn't understand what I bolded in the post I quoted, let's try this again. What does Edge- have to do with manufactured outrage? Or is that just you calling them out because you think they're the one constantly banning you for ban evading?

[thuips]

Says the guy spamming accounts to post intellectual snobbery. Since you didn't understand what I bolded in the post I quoted, let's try this again. What does Edge- have to do with manufactured outrage? Or is that just you calling them out because you think they're the one constantly banning you for ban evading?

You were making snide comments-if you don't want any comeback don't dish them out. It isn't like I haven't let that go a dozens times before.

Edge's comments (and there are many like him/her here and other forums) serve to endlessly focus attention on celebrity/personality rather than core issues like worker's rights. What is deeply, deeply pitiful is that such people actually believe that the different rhetoric between Trump/Biden will amount to legislative differences.

And for the record I'm not even sure Edge is human, it behaves exactly like an angry corporate democrat text algorithm.

[downnola]

Who's more likely to be a bot in this scenario - the ban-evading, account spammer who routinely sounds like a Glenn Greenwald talking point memo, or the MMO-C moderator that talks about the news in Trump threads?

[Calfredd]

You were making snide comments-if you don't want any comeback don't dish them out. It isn't like I haven't let that go a dozens times before.

Edge's comments (and there are many like him/her here and other forums) serve to endlessly focus attention on celebrity/personality rather than core issues like worker's rights. What is deeply, deeply pitiful is that such people actually believe that the different rhetoric between Trump/Biden will amount to legislative differences.

And for the record I'm not even sure Edge is human, it behaves exactly like an angry corporate democrat text algorithm.

Who cares if Edge- doesn't talk about worker's rights? Since this thread is talking about US worker's rights and Edge- probably isn't even American, why would they even chime in? You are aware that this isn't an American-exclusive board, right? And text algorithms must have gotten smart over the years because Edge- sounds quite human especially if you've read their posts outside of the Off-topic forums.

[Milchshake]

Started a number a threads in the politics subforum, ther's not much interest.
2018 and 2019 saw a record number of strikes and walkouts. But these mostly involved teachers, some healthcare workers, service industries.

A lot of todays worker organizing revolves around women and minority workers. For some reason this doent get the interest from Bros on a gamer forum.

[Zantos]

Correct me if I am wrong but I think workers generally have more rights today than they have ever had in history. Now that's not an argument to say that we couldn't be doing more but I think a lot of people would prioritize other things.

We have laws and regulations, but they rarely get enforced for several reasons. First of which is that its near impossible to get evidence to thwart it. It requires a lot of stealth to not get caught or fired before they figure out what you're up to. The second part is that most people can't afford to retaliate. They can't risk being without a job. Especially in right to work states where you can be fired for literally any reason at any time. That means if you get them in trouble, they'll just fire you the next time. They can cite any reason they want to and then you have zero case for a retaliation suit. People are just too poor to be able to actually hold them accountable, so all of the rules and regulations are basically meaningless.

[GreenJesus]

Because the media wants us to focus on race as the big issue instead of the real problem which is rising cost of living with wages not rising with it.

[jonnysensible]

cmon op its not like stuff like this isnt going on https://twitter.com/TeamstersJC16/st...34027308347392

NYPD charging and arresting workers on strike for just a $1/hr raise

[PC2]

Workers already have all of the major rights in the West so why would there be protests? It would just be about some minor quibble which is not motivating to most people.

[GreenJesus]

cmon op its not like stuff like this isnt going on https://twitter.com/TeamstersJC16/st...34027308347392

NYPD charging and arresting workers on strike for just a $1/hr raise

I mean.. can I really trust some random twitter user that is probably biased to give the full story? Of course the union leader will frame the story in such a way to promote sympathy and get more tweet shares.

[Sorensen]

They already have the right to work what more do we need?

[kamuimac]

Small example what's possible with good workers rights: in Germany a parent gets up to 10 days off work per years if their child is sick and nobody else can care for it. 90% of wages paid by health insurance, employer doesn't pay for these 10 days but can't refuse this time off and also can't fire.

i think most of european countries have it like this. same with being paid for sick leave.

for example i spend 5 weeks on sick leave last year due to corona - got paid 80% of my salary for laying in bed + got 100 % refund for medicine/free tests etc - feels nice to live in this horrible socialist country of mine

[BigToast]

Lately, you see all of these protests for all of these things, but the one thing you never see here in the US is any type of protest or even any discussions about workers rights.

Let me introduce you to this guy Bernie Sanders.....

and seriously check out real liberal media (not MSNBC and CNN) and you will hear lots about workers rights.

[Forgettable]

It's because of a form of stockholm syndrome. So many American workers are paid poorly and treated like shit... And they like it. I know a few of them personally.

[PACOX]

Lately, you see all of these protests for all of these things, but the one thing you never see here in the US is any type of protest or even any discussions about workers rights. I mean, realistically, we don't really have any. Sure, there are laws and regulations, but no one follows them. After all, why should they? No ones going to call them out. Their employees are kept at the poverty line. They can't afford to call them out. Worst case scenario, the job gets shut down and now you and your coworkers are all homeless.

Why don't we see anyone angry about this? Its never talked about on any broad scale, yet we all can name instances of safety violations or discrimination practices. Heck, my last job was Highly discriminatory about who they hired. They also broke several laws, including putting classes in their contract prohibiting their employees from talking about their wages.

I believe its seriously time we start talking about these things. We all joke about how when someone does something dangerous "OSHA Intensifies", yet realistically, osha isn't even a threat. Its a joke. So to are health inspections at a restaurant. We need to talk about this as a worker and as a consumer.

In the US? Progressives are about giving more power to workers and improving the quality of life for the working class.

As others have pointed out, they are after met with being labeled lazy communists and or socialists.

[Krastyn]

cmon op its not like stuff like this isnt going on https://twitter.com/TeamstersJC16/st...34027308347392

NYPD charging and arresting workers on strike for just a $1/hr raise

Workers on strike who were blocking the roadway, and who were previously told by police earlier..........get off the road or you will be arrested. Despite this, no other source I have seen has confirmed any arrests, other than the Teamsters Union. The PD said they only issued summons.

They said they can picket all they want on the sidewalk, just don't block traffic. Seems entirely reasonable to me.

They're actually striking over $0.68/hr. The workers want $1, the company offered them $0.32.

The union has stated that since the company received a one time loan that they might be able to get forgiven, its members are entitled to a permanent raise as a result.