Nevada bill would allow tech companies to create governments

[Machismo]

I'd rather not take an internally hypocritical and exploitatation-based ideological path to socialism, thanks.

Voluntaryism is, fundamentally, a smokescreen at heart.

https://francoistremblay.wordpress.c...yist-delusion/



Which, again, demonstrates that you don't actually believe in Voluntaryism. Who are opposed to any form of laws or other State structures.

As stated, that's the end goal... far into the future. the key to getting there, is small steps, like this one.

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I'd rather not take an internally hypocritical and exploitatation-based ideological path to socialism, thanks.

Voluntaryism is, fundamentally, a smokescreen at heart.

https://francoistremblay.wordpress.c...yist-delusion/



Which, again, demonstrates that you don't actually believe in Voluntaryism. Who are opposed to any form of laws or other State structures.

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And, right there, that's why Voluntaryism is just unchecked exploitation in sheep's clothing.

If you go to a dominatrix to get slapped, is that abuse?

Nope. Well, yes... it is abuse. It's voluntary abuse. I believe we've had the harm discussion, and your thoughts on consent.

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If you go to a dominatrix to get slapped, is that abuse?

Nope. Well, yes... it is abuse. It's voluntary abuse. I believe we've had the harm discussion, and your thoughts on consent.

And your position here is bollocks, as you're freely admitting that exploitation is permissible under Voluntaryism, which means it isn't actually about freedom. That's a smokescreen that conceals the true goal.

Because, again, you keep trying to focus on small implementations with the excuse that people can "just leave", when things are never that simple in practice.

Let's consider your example better; if your parents are emotionally abusive, but your siblings are still minors, should you just walk away and abandon your siblings once you reach the age of majority? You can leave. Or do you stay, and continue to suffer the abuse, to act as a shield for your siblings?

And that's just a tiny, simple example, at the same kind of small scale you keep insisting on. Your position isn't about any "freedom" but the "freedom" to exploit and abuse without repercussion, and relying on victim-blaming to evade responsibility for that viewpoint.

[Machismo]

And your position here is bollocks, as you're freely admitting that exploitation is permissible under Voluntaryism, which means it isn't actually about freedom. That's a smokescreen that conceals the true goal.

Because, again, you keep trying to focus on small implementations with the excuse that people can "just leave", when things are never that simple in practice.

Let's consider your example better; if your parents are emotionally abusive, but your siblings are still minors, should you just walk away and abandon your siblings once you reach the age of majority? You can leave. Or do you stay, and continue to suffer the abuse, to act as a shield for your siblings?

And that's just a tiny, simple example, at the same kind of small scale you keep insisting on. Your position isn't about any "freedom" but the "freedom" to exploit and abuse without repercussion, and relying on victim-blaming to evade responsibility for that viewpoint.

No, we've discussed that harm caused when both entities are consenting is not actually harmful, as there is consent.

This is literally a tiny little area, and people can just leave. More importantly, they never have to go there in the first place. There's not even a safe word required, because you can just not go to the sex dungeon in the first place.

Your analogy is bad. Period.

This is like meeting a chick, and finding out she likes to bite during sex. Well, guess what... you go to have sex, she asks to bite you... and you say, "Go ahead." If you're into that freaky shit, no harm, no foul.

The rest is you pushing the same fucking lie.

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No, we've discussed that harm caused when both entities are consenting is not actually harmful, as there is consent.

And you've missed the concept of duress, which I've brought up repeatedly.

The rest is you pushing the same fucking lie.

Not even a little bit of a lie. So much so you can't actually point to anything specific I have said which is untrue.

[Machismo]

And you've missed the concept of duress, which I've brought up repeatedly.



Not even a little bit of a lie. So much so you can't actually point to anything specific I have said which is untrue.

I'm literally conjuring your own statement on consent, we talked about this..

Yep, it's still the same fucking lie. It has been pointed out since you first tried this shit years ago.

If you don't want to go to the sex dungeon, then don't go to the sex dungeon. Nobody is holding a gun to your head.

[Diaphin]

Theo, homeboy is openly and vocally a fuckin libertarian, not a liberal.

Isn't Libertarian in most cases just code for fascist?

[Machismo]

Isn't Libertarian in most cases just code for fascist?

I'd say a great many so-called libertarians are fascists. We see that with the Trumspter crowd, who swear they are totally a libertarian, while trying to keep out immigrants and stifle the 1st Amendment.

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I'm literally conjuring your own statement on consent, we talked about this..

The difficulty is that I understand that consent given under duress is not consent at all.

Yep, it's still the same fucking lie. It has been pointed out since you first tried this shit years ago.

So . . . not a lie, then.

If you don't want to go to the sex dungeon, then don't go to the sex dungeon. Nobody is holding a gun to your head.

You've got this wrong, because you keep presuming that the situation is innocent, and there's no reason to presume that. Also that there are other, better options for you to go to, and there's no reason to presume that. I'm sure it's convenient when you avoid dealing with the problems with your views by just flatly hand-waving them with an "but what if it's not terrible, eh?", but it isn't an argument.

[Shadowferal]

I'd say a great many so-called libertarians are fascists. We see that with the Trumspter crowd, who swear they are totally a libertarian, while trying to keep out immigrants and stifle the 1st Amendment.

Their choice.

Reminded of this;

[Machismo]

The difficulty is that I understand that consent given under duress is not consent at all.



So . . . not a lie, then.



You've got this wrong, because you keep presuming that the situation is innocent, and there's no reason to presume that. Also that there are other, better options for you to go to, and there's no reason to presume that. I'm sure it's convenient when you avoid dealing with the problems with your views by just flatly hand-waving them with an "but what if it's not terrible, eh?", but it isn't an argument.

Yep, still a lie.

Nobody is forcing you to join the new hippy commune in the desert.

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Their choice.

Reminded of this;

It's a good thing that's not me.

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Yep, still a lie.

Nobody is forcing you to join the new hippy commune in the desert.

What's the lie?

If there are better places to be, then why would your system be justifiable at all?

If there aren't better places to be, then it doesn't matter where I go, it's the same terrible everywhere. So there goes your vaunted "choice"; it's a choice between who exploits you, nothing more. It's like being offered your "choice" as to whether your tongue is torn out with hot irons or if your eyes are eaten out by ants. You skip right over having to defend your argument on its merits.

[Shadowferal]

That's the problem with various aspects of libertarianism, it's all about "me." No volunteers to see here.

[Machismo]

What's the lie?

If there are better places to be, then why would your system be justifiable at all?

If there aren't better places to be, then it doesn't matter where I go, it's the same terrible everywhere. So there goes your vaunted "choice"; it's a choice between who exploits you, nothing more. It's like being offered your "choice" as to whether your tongue is torn out with hot irons or if your eyes are eaten out by ants. You skip right over having to defend your argument on its merits.

You are lying abut what I support. I have told you flatly that I do not, and you refuse to listen.

Not my fucking problem, any longer.

This is all about having the option to go to the hippy commune in the desert. By all means, go and have fun. If you don't want to, you can stay in the same house you've been living in. You go where you want to go. I'm sorry you feel your eyes are being eaten out by ants where you currently live. Maybe you should think about leaving.

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That's the problem with various aspects of libertarianism, it's all about "me." No volunteers to see here.

Not at all, I have no desire to take YOUR money to pay for the shit I want.

[PC2]

That's the problem with various aspects of libertarianism, it's all about "me." No volunteers to see here.

Nah libertarianism is about the idea of liberty and not the libertarian as a person. You're thinking of Objectivism which is terrible because Ayn Rand said that everything should revolve around your "self-identity".

[Shadowferal]

Not at all, I have no desire to take YOUR money to pay for the shit I want.

Doesn't matter.
Your rate of pay in my industry will be the same as everyone else.

[Machismo]

Doesn't matter.
Your rate of pay in my industry will be the same as everyone else.

Well, good for you. I hope you get to keep more of that money you make.

[Shadowferal]

Nah libertarianism is about the idea of liberty and not the libertarian as a person. You're thinking of Objectivism which is terrible because Ayn Rand said that everything should revolve around your "self-identity".

..calling it whatever, it's still bullshit

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Well, good for you. I hope you get to keep more of that money you make.

Slave wages...thats what you're going to keep.

[Machismo]

..calling it whatever, it's still bullshit

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Slave wages...thats what you're going to keep.

You work for slave wages?

What a shame. May I suggest you find a new career.

[PC2]

..calling it whatever, it's still bullshit

A "me" based ideology like Objectivism is bullshit but not all libertarians are like that.

[shimerra]

You work for slave wages?

What a shame. May I suggest you find a new career.

Hard to avoid your system of corporate overlords.


Save the fuck you got mine response.