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    The End of Theorizing

    Per Blizzcon Interiew: The voice actor's performance for Sire Denathrius caused Steve to want to keep him alive. This is why he is trapped at the end of the raid instead of killed.

    So, proof that the Warcraft narrative is improvisational at best, is there any point to theorizing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by choom View Post
    is there any point to theorizing?
    Yes, it's fun.

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    Kind of always been the case, really - people are going to theorize and speculate regardless, because they're not privy to the nature of such decisions until well afterward. We still don't know if Denathrius will have a role to play in Shadowlands going forward, or if he's simply been stuffed in the cooler for another story or cameo. Insofar as we knew it was always the notion for Denathrius to survive the Nathria raid - that he was originally meant to die in the initial planning of Shadowlands doesn't really matter beyond trivia.
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    I mean, so what? His story is done for now. Just because they decided not to kill him, doesn't mean he will suddenly appear again. Execute him, or imprison him, it doesn't matter. He may briefly show up later, probably some small redemption, but that's it. We had same shit with Bwonsamdi. He wasn't suppose to appear in SL, but he quickly became fan favourite in BfA, so they carried him over.

    They do not improvize big story elements though, so I don't see why we should stop theorizing.
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    You know this is something that happens with all kinds of media right? Like Jesse was originally planned to die in the first season of Breaking Bad but the writers were so impressed with his performance he got written into a more important character. I really don't understand the hand-wringing about this.

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    Happens very often in every media.
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    I’m glad they didn’t kill him off and I hope they find a way to write him back into the story because I absolutely love Denathrius as a villain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malira View Post
    You know this is something that happens with all kinds of media right? Like Jesse was originally planned to die in the first season of Breaking Bad but the writers were so impressed with his performance he got written into a more important character. I really don't understand the hand-wringing about this.
    Really? didnt know that and you certainly wouldnt think that when watching Breaking Bad. He is one of THE main characters of the show. Would be a very different show without him.


    On topic: Doesnt really matter. hes imprisoned or whatever. he can stay that way forever and be forgotten.

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    Quote Originally Posted by choom View Post
    Per Blizzcon Interiew: The voice actor's performance for Sire Denathrius caused Steve to want to keep him alive. This is why he is trapped at the end of the raid instead of killed.

    So, proof that the Warcraft narrative is improvisational at best, is there any point to theorizing?
    Look who went to the school of reaching.

    Just because one minor irrelevant whatever plot point isn't 100% set in stone doesn't mean the entire fucking narrative is made up as they go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by choom View Post
    Per Blizzcon Interiew: The voice actor's performance for Sire Denathrius caused Steve to want to keep him alive. This is why he is trapped at the end of the raid instead of killed.

    So, proof that the Warcraft narrative is improvisational at best, is there any point to theorizing?
    -.- I see you have never heard of Marvel and DC Comics.

    Writers changing stories because of audience reaction to the characters is fairly common.

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    Ummm...no? Just because some of the story is improvised doesn't mean it all is. They've said before that the general story beats are planned about two expansions in advance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EntertainmentNihilist View Post
    Ummm...no? Just because some of the story is improvised doesn't mean it all is. They've said before that the general story beats are planned about two expansions in advance.
    Probably the very general outline of the story. Like they know we have saved Shadowlands at 9.3, that [X] new threat attacks on 10.0 and we defeat them thanks to a magical device at 10.X, and stuff. They don't know any details, despite what they're saying, and that was really proven twice during WoD (Grom as last boss + Kar'gath was planned to be kept alive at the end of his highmaul encounter but died instead).

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    Quote Originally Posted by choom View Post
    is there any point to theorizing?
    People will always theorize things.
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    Obviously. Just like Bolvar became the Lich King after positive reaction to his Wrathgate appearance. They've always been writing the story on the spot.

    They probably still haven't decided on what Sylvanas' fate will be.

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    But that's not always the case.


    However, it just further proves that Danuser is the deathknell of WoW's lore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by choom View Post
    Per Blizzcon Interiew: The voice actor's performance for Sire Denathrius caused Steve to want to keep him alive. This is why he is trapped at the end of the raid instead of killed.

    So, proof that the Warcraft narrative is improvisational at best, is there any point to theorizing?
    It's quite common for supposed one shot characters to become recurring or even supporting or main characters if they become popular either with the audience or the creators.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KOUNTERPARTS View Post
    But that's not always the case.


    However, it just further proves that Danuser is the deathknell of WoW's lore.
    What does Danuser even have to do with this decision? Or is this part of your quota?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cparle87 View Post
    It's quite common for supposed one shot characters to become recurring or even supporting or main characters if they become popular either with the audience or the creators.

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    What does Danuser even have to do with this decision? Or is this part of your quota?

    What quota? And you do know who Steve Danuser is right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cparle87 View Post
    It's quite common for supposed one shot characters to become recurring or even supporting or main characters if they become popular either with the audience or the creators.

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    What does Danuser even have to do with this decision? Or is this part of your quota?
    Because he's literally the one who took that decision? Who do you think "Steve" is?

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    Quote Originally Posted by choom View Post
    Per Blizzcon Interiew: The voice actor's performance for Sire Denathrius caused Steve to want to keep him alive. This is why he is trapped at the end of the raid instead of killed.

    So, proof that the Warcraft narrative is improvisational at best, is there any point to theorizing?
    remember Jack from series LOST? he was supposed to die at intro, but was played/received so well, that he was left alive and became main protagonist

    Bwonsamdi? he was going to play minor role, but voice actor nailed it, and more of his stories were added later on, in SL ofc

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    Quote Originally Posted by choom View Post
    Per Blizzcon Interiew: The voice actor's performance for Sire Denathrius caused Steve to want to keep him alive. This is why he is trapped at the end of the raid instead of killed.

    So, proof that the Warcraft narrative is improvisational at best, is there any point to theorizing?
    They have said things like this before. How some characters arc goes is no different than gameplay plans. If Blizzard or the players have strong feelings about something it can easily alter the longevity of that thing.
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