In Cata you could fly straight from the start. That was perfect.How do people feel about flying in previous expansions?
In Cata you could fly straight from the start. That was perfect.How do people feel about flying in previous expansions?
flying is a must and pathfinder was fine.
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I think all old content no flying zones need to be unlocked for flying. No more grounded Timeless Isle, Argus, etc. It's old content, there is no reason to keep it grounded.
While I can't say too much for the Draenei starting areas, Blizzard would have to put in significant work for the Blood Elf areas (Not just Eversong/Silvermoon, but the Isle as well) as they went quite cheaply on them and you have a large amount of 2d textures throughout those areas (Which was one of the reasons that they never delivered on their promise to allow flying in those BC starting zones.
And I believe that each Argus zone is it's own seperate instance, including the Vindicaar.
Timeless Isle does need flying enabled though.
Pathfinder is demotivational; I haven't stayed subbed for entire expansions because it just becomes such a drag waiting and waiting. Learning flying from a trainer worked fine.
What I’m saying (more or less) is that I realize there will probably never be a time in the future when some sort of Pathfinder requirement won’t be needed for access to flight in current content. As such, I will never play in current content again. But I would probably return to play the game (possibly even permanently) if they removed all such Pathfinder requirements from older expansions... basically restricting my play to old material.
Since I haven’t played ANY new expansions in a long time, it’s not a problem for me to avoid new content. I left during mid-late MoP, shortly after the flight change announcement for WoD.
Pathfinder isn’t realistically changing for new stuff but there have been small improvements to the older stuff (like no longer needing it for WoD). I’d like to see that improve a bit and some sort of “we intend to do this” announcement from Blizzard.
Yeah, it’s probably a stretch but I have waited this long... I can wait more.
Fly stopped being a thing with appeal once we stopped needing it to access stuff. Like in burning crusade when there are places like the netherwing egg area thats straight up literally impossible to get to without it? sure its great. Its the rpg idea of reaching some new threshold of player ability/power that grants them access to something new.
But Blizzard doesn't do that anymore. Flying is a convenience to skip the world you barely need to visit outside of instances. Its anti fun. Its the ingame analogue to a level boost now. Exchange a currency to just not take part in the world part of the world of warcraft. May as well play a clicker on your phone. But blame blizzard not the players who acclimated to it. They designed it this way.
Which in an afterlife of floating islands thats a lot more outland than afterlife is kind of fucked up design wise really isn't it?
What I’m saying (more or less) is that I realize there will probably never be a time in the future when some sort of Pathfinder requirement won’t be needed for access to flight in current content. As such, I will never play in current content again. But I would probably return to play the game (possibly even permanently) if they removed all such Pathfinder requirements from older expansions... basically restricting my play to old material.
Since I haven’t played ANY new expansions in a long time, it’s not a problem for me to avoid new content. I left during mid-late MoP, shortly after the flight change announcement for WoD.
Pathfinder isn’t realistically changing for new stuff but there have been small improvements to the older stuff (like no longer needing it for WoD). I’d like to see that improve a bit and some sort of “we intend to do this” announcement from Blizzard.
Yeah, it’s probably a stretch but I have waited this long... I can wait more.
Flying needs to be reworked so it had drawbacks for it to be a fun mechanic. Its not fun, it's convenient.
Though I do think pathfinder is perfectly fine way to handle it.
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Hyjal I don't think is an excuse nor a good example. I enjoyed Hyjal just as much if not many times more with flying. The zone having those mountains made it clear where flying was useful and the verticality of it made treking up the west side a pain in the ass without flying. Mobs chew your feet and daze you when you don't stick to the one safe path you get on the ground and if anything I think Hyjal as a vertical zone teaches us how unfun a zone can be without flying. Deepholm was similar in this respect and so was Uldum. A lot of these max level Cata zones were vertical and are worse without flying due to things like all the frustrating terrain and mob placement limiting land exploration a certain way.
It's not like land exploration can't be valid - it was done great on Timeless Isle where there were actually jumping puzzles with the ropes and treasures. But Hyjal by comparison is a vertical zone and not at all reflective of a good grounded-only experience and is only good and cones into its own when you have flying (hell it's a theme of Aviana and the druids you ally with which feels good to share with them).
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I liked it most in expansions you leveled with them, end of Wotlk and Cata notably. The zones felt designed for flight in mind, or "swimming" in vashjir. They felt expansive and there was often something to see above or below. It felt like actual bonus gameplay, not just convience. TBC wasn't far off.
From mop onwards (excellent in other ways), flight was more about convience. I liked having it, but didn't care much either way. I disliked the big pathfinder grinds to achieve it because mechagon sucked in bfa, the rest were tolerable at least.
If they keep on being lazy with zone design to not meaningfully accomodate flight, it's best its given for free at early portions of expac, without much hassle. If they'd make it more interesting again, i wouldnt mind restrictions like path finder or gold costs (say 40k in today's terms).
Its one of the factors why I did. WoW used to be a special game because once you could fly around in this vast, open world to explore at your leisure. Now its just a mediocre ground experience. If i want to have fun ground-bound adventures, there's better games I do play for that. Flight was one of wow's best features, and to shackle it so is really sad.
I came back for shadowlands because of a friend. I think its a fine expansion. But the silly flight restrictions still hold it back.
I mean it is removed from all past expansions with the exception of BFA. I don't think it is too much to perform a set amount of activities each expansion in order to fly. About 90% of them you'll get done passively without even trying. The model they have going forward now works too were the past expansion is still "locked" behind the requirements.
I mean so far Shadowlands flying will be super easy since it's just "finish the next part of the story". So if people can't play that much of the game then they likely won't care about flying. If they do care about flying and want to complain because they don't have it unlocked just need to stop being lazy. Right now you can finish the entire covenant campaign in a week without really trying if you play a little bit each week, two weeks at most if you want to mess with it even less.
Taking flying away. That was one of the last straws for me. I'd rather watch the videos now and read about wow. Travel in the game makes it un fun to play.
Its really bizarre that the current group of developers can remain so out of touch with their player base, make so many unpopular decisions and drive the game into its current state and still retain their jobs. I can't imagine working in any other private sector job and just holding this much disdain for your customers and fucking up so much and still somehow retain my job. I mean God bless them their fortune i guess.
In my opinion it's perfectly OK to have no flying in x.0. By the time x.1 rolls around, most people have a max level toon and sometimes they work on alts not wanting to drudge through the story or dailies. Pathfinder is fine as long as it doesn't take most of or the entire x.1 to complete. In most expansions we had to wait until x.2 if I recall, and that just seems excessive to me.
Old expansions? Remove them
In fact didn't they remove them already? Or BFA still no fly? I know WoD didIt will never be flyable in non-flying zones, it is far faster/cheaper to design zones with no fly in mind, pre-wod era i used to datamine in wow a lot, silvermoon is full of 2d looking buildings
WoD itself isn't fully flyable, i can name infamous Shattrath city as f8ck u fly zone, it bugs a lot and u can get stuck beneath it while flying because u touched top of done (wtf?), but at least WoD isn't 2d, just a lot of zones where u fly hit a graphic wall and get stuck below ground (enjoy rezz sickness), makes me feel that WoD they scrapped flying in it mid-way, and only 'fixed' major zones for fly later after heavy request
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Depends on the player... world pvpers didn't like it since once side almost always dominated and wiped out the less populated faction via the air in numbers,
I don't think most players cared since wow was always about instanced content not world content.