Yeah i plan on playing Fire Destro in pve and demo drainguard in pvp (DL/SL not Sl/Sl). I put shadow up because i expect people to just stack shadow destro + shadow priests and avoid mage in general (fire mage as well). Shadow just stacks together better. But personal dps fire should be above.
Last edited by Gratlim; 2021-05-02 at 08:55 PM.
From Warlock Discord:
"Warlock: fire vs shadow? Should you have improved scorch support?
There are two mages spec that can provide scorch support: full fire mage and arcane/fire (arcfire). They will be compared to arcane/frost (arcfrost).
T4: warlock best simming spec is fire, and mage best simming spec is also fire. It should be noted however than depending on final viability of FG spec in gruul/mag, warlocks could end up going demo spec, at which point mages can do whatever they want.
T5: in BiS T5, firelock > shadowlock by 80-100 dps. For mages, the choice is between arcfire and arcfrost. Baseline, mages sims indicate that arcfire does 50-60 dps less than arcfrost for reasonable conditions of mana support (spriest, mana tide, 1 innervate, 3 min fight). Arcfire does better in situations where the mage is mana starved (up to near equal dps), and if mana is infinite, arcfrost gets up to about 120 more dps.
On top of that, if the mage would have never needed to use his filler spell, then adding scorch upkeep is another 50 dps loss (this is only the case in short fights).
So a mage going arcfire is losing 50-100 dps in normal conditions. Accounting for spriest and affli lock dps lost via isb uptime is another 25-30 raid dps loss. So most of the time, even one lock going fire is enough to make it worthwhile, and 2 firelocks make it unequivocally better, raid dps wise." -Ryusei - 1/40
Last edited by Cempa; 2021-05-03 at 06:33 AM.
Wont matter what you bring, its gonna be like classic all over again
A flat Earth person are you? I not only have played live, I do theory craft and use data and sims and evidence, unlike you. Feel free to go look up the old Elitist Jerks archived forums .. Or they also are a meme in your flat earth world?
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Not sure why you seem to dislike Warlock class but you are correct in that 'threat' management is key to TBC Warlock and will be one of the dividers between good and great 'locks.'
As some one who played TBC, it was a hard lesson to learn, but once one gets the 'fell' of the class, you know how to push the upper limits without pulling agro. If you do, shatter/BoP. Shatter became part of my rotation, when shadow took over Flame/Fire late T5/T6 and I was using CoD (Curse of Doom hitting well over 10k-14k). At that point I had to save shatter -entire expansion it got resisted once, on Brut in SW right after a shatter .. Yes I died).
Last edited by Cempa; 2021-05-04 at 09:40 AM.
You correlated someone not liking Warlocks/Warlock Discord to being a flat earther. You missed the point entirely that Warlocks are at the mercy of the threat cap where Hunters are not. Then you copy-pasta’d some shit from Discord that wrongly cites viability of Fire Mage in the context of buffing Fire Destro instead of answering why the fuck a Mage would play Fire in T4 in the first place (they won’t).
While content will get cleared, raids that enjoy optimizing raid performance will more than likely have x2 mages of both specs, arcane/fire and both would have Icy Veins. Again, we don't know how long fights will last -tuning. Most guilds are casual, and for them there is no optimal setup and content will get cleared even with 3 or 4 or 5 mages!
T4 Fire is the best spec hands down, this is from live to p servers to beta, if you don't know that I advise you to go follow the streamers and raiders who are doing the content and who have raided. The 'flat earther' refuses to listen or accept any of that .. Hey, spec Frost and RP to your hearts content, and content will get cleared.
Going Arcane at start you will have a hard time with mana support .. And thus under perform.
Warlocks and Mages will be close until SW -then mages crap out towards the end. Hunters are broken OP all TBC. Group setup/mana support/lust-multiple lust make a massive difference.
Raid DPS wise it is a no brainier, near 400 DPS more per destro warlock IF you are a raid optimized 'raid.' T4/T5 have arcfire mage until they get set bonus, at which point locks would go shadow .. Come SW locks would move back to fire depending on gear.
Lastly, pets/demons are currently bugged to hell on Beta. Assuming that gets fixed, Demo (FG) is a legit T4.
Karazahn Arcane might get away with it in most of the encounters depending if the DPS can pump and end the fight quick enough (2min to 3min and Arcane is fully OOM). Longer fights like Netherspite, Nightbane as well as Shade would be an issue for Arcane. In 25 man, without set bonus+Shade of Aran Trinket (Pendant of the Violet Eye), Arcane will fully oom on ALL encounters before boss is dead.
Here is what is going to happen: Raid leader will see logs, as well as own experience and realize Arcane mages need specific items to be able to add value.
Fresh Mage plays Frost --> Spellstrike + Spellfire Mage goes Fire. x2 Set T5+Trinket they go Arcane.
Only reason a mage goes Arcane from day x1 is if they are lazy and don't want to put in effort to craft Spellfire. And guilds will realize the value of having Scorch up and will have x1 Mage do so.
Last edited by Cempa; 2021-05-05 at 09:42 AM.
Oh you follow people on twitch... Got it.
Anyway, I'm here to warn players about guys like you - spreading misinformation.
There will be no fire mages and warlocks in any competent guilds, and its been the case for many years https://legacyplayers.com/Raids/Ranking/Default.aspx