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    Quote Originally Posted by Espo View Post
    I tend to think this argument doesn't make sense for any QB. The whole notion of "X college isn't a good QB school" is certainly correct, except not in the way most people think. The reality is every college is a bad QB school. There isn't some college that is an all-pro QB factory. If it exists and I missed it--please correct me.

    Plenty of schools have a track record of producing OK or simply pro level QBs (USC, Purdue, etc), but not good/great ones. The best QB school is what? Stanford? With Luck and Elway? (that's best alumni I can think of from one school). There isn't a QB school like an Alabama for defense (maybe WR if this keeps up) or a USC for RBs (historically, at least).

    I'm not sure why the whole school argument comes into play with QBs so much--it's so unreliable as a means to predict what everyone wants: an All-Pro Super Bowl capable QB (by capable I mean a net plus, not someone getting carried along).

    The best QBs in the NFL are from all over the map--Michigan, Texas-Tech, Clemson, Cal, Wisconsin, Wyoming.
    I think its because Ohio State has been elite for so long, that people confuse eliteness with NFL caliber QB play when that's often not the case. Having talent at every other position can cover up a lot of deficiencies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crissi View Post
    I think its because Ohio State has been elite for so long, that people confuse eliteness with NFL caliber QB play when that's often not the case. Having talent at every other position can cover up a lot of deficiencies.
    This is how I sort of see it playing out.

    Take Alabama, for example. With the dearth of talent they always have at WR, RB, and OL, you don't have to be a Josh Allen, Alex Smith, or Patrick Mahomes to shine. Half the time you just have to throw the ball up, which you'll have plenty of time to do because you have a bunch of 5-star players blocking for you, and your 5-star WRs will catch it as long as it's remotely close. DBs shutting down your WR? Hand it off to one of your 3 5-star RBs and they'll run through the giant holes that big OL will make. Meanwhile you have a stacked defense shutting down the other team.

    You don't have to be an NFL-caliber QB to shine on those sorts of teams. You don't have to work as hard as a player from Vandy, Wyoming, or North Texas to get national recognition, because you'll get that just by being a half-competent team playing for a perennial favorite. That could lead you to not being as ready for the NFL as a QB from a lesser school who has to work a lot harder to get the attention of NFL scouts.

    I'm not saying that this is the case often enough for it to actually be the cause of OSU QBs struggling to excel in the NFL. I'd imagine even after looking at it deeper it'd be inconclusive at best just by nature of there being far more players at the collegiate level than the NFL can support, never mind the regular turnover in coaching staffs at most schools. But it could be a way to explain it. Call it the Collegiate Trent Dilfer Theory.
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    There are also very few top schools running NFL style offenses. Playing under center is a big adjustment, let alone making adjustments at the line. Some schools don't even huddle. The ones that run offenses closest to the NFL just tend to not get the best recruits. Those schools as a whole are somewhat consistent at producing backups that stick around a while though. For example, Michigan State by themselves had Drew Stanton, Hoyer the Destroyer and Kirk Cousins all in a row. While none of them are amazing starters, Cousins is solid and Hoyer/Stanton have stuck around for a long time as basically extra QB coaches.

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    Its pretty common for NFL teams to sour on certain schools or coaches for not producing successful NFL players. Part of the reason Aaron Rodgers fell in the draft was because of that perception regarding Coach Tedford and some unremarkable QBs.

    https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft05/col...len&id=2039797

    I remembered it coming up in the typical draft leadup talk so I went and found an old article on the subject.
    /s

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    I remember when we had Matt Ryan at BC, we were running a pro style offense (which has pretty much been the case since the Tom Coughlin days), which led to Ryan having a relatively smooth transition to the NFL despite Atlanta being consistently shitty.

    Take Alabama, for example. With the dearth of talent they always have at WR, RB, and OL, you don't have to be a Josh Allen, Alex Smith, or Patrick Mahomes to shine.
    Dearth doesn't mean what you think it means. But I agree with your point. I honestly think these big programs best asset in developing QBs might be the aspect of having constant media attention, especially in a market like NYC or something.

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    https://www.si.com/nfl/2021/03/29/fi...not-in-lawsuit

    Sports Illustrated story by Jenny Vrentas, who I highly respect fro her connections and her work on other articles, many of them about high profile people or occasions in the NFL.

    This story not only confirms previous accounts about Watson, but the woman in question is not part of the suit that's already been filed. Her story is pretty shocking, and the details in it paint a picture that is almost impossible to deny the truth of.

    I'm 10000% sure that Vrentas would not have put her name to this story if she had not been convinced it was true herself.

    What that leads to for me personally, is a hope that Watson gets the mental help he needs and a lengthy suspension from the NFL. Watson should not be the face of any team's franchise with this, perhaps ever.

    (there's always a chance for a Michael Vick like coming to terms with what he did and making amends, though.)

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    Nick Underhill is one of the best Saints beat writers. Funny how he came out with this after the discussion of Vannet some time back in this thread. Seems like Vannett really does still think he's all that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xskarma View Post
    Nick Underhill is one of the best Saints beat writers. Funny how he came out with this after the discussion of Vannet some time back in this thread. Seems like Vannett really does still think he's all that.
    Guess we'll see. He sure has a shot at it with Trautman still working on his game. With Thomas and Kamara drawing plenty of eyes the two TEs can have a big impact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xskarma View Post
    https://www.si.com/nfl/2021/03/29/fi...not-in-lawsuit

    Sports Illustrated story by Jenny Vrentas, who I highly respect fro her connections and her work on other articles, many of them about high profile people or occasions in the NFL.

    This story not only confirms previous accounts about Watson, but the woman in question is not part of the suit that's already been filed. Her story is pretty shocking, and the details in it paint a picture that is almost impossible to deny the truth of.

    I'm 10000% sure that Vrentas would not have put her name to this story if she had not been convinced it was true herself.

    What that leads to for me personally, is a hope that Watson gets the mental help he needs and a lengthy suspension from the NFL. Watson should not be the face of any team's franchise with this, perhaps ever.
    Whether the full extent of the others stories are true or not, he is definitely a creep. It seems we're just waiting to find out what degree of awful it is.
    /s

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyanion View Post
    Guess we'll see. He sure has a shot at it with Trautman still working on his game. With Thomas and Kamara drawing plenty of eyes the two TEs can have a big impact.
    Anything is possible, but averaging less than 1 catch per game (and 6.8 yards per reception) when every other TE was injured (who averaged 10-11 ypr) isn't exactly the best way to show receiving potential. Troy Fumagalli, who was brought off the practice squad and was used purely as a blocker was more effective as a receiver.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grube View Post
    Anything is possible, but averaging less than 1 catch per game (and 6.8 yards per reception) when every other TE was injured (who averaged 10-11 ypr) isn't exactly the best way to show receiving potential. Troy Fumagalli, who was brought off the practice squad and was used purely as a blocker was more effective as a receiver.
    Oh no doubt, I am expecting nothing from Vannett and I am expecting to see Trautman become a focus of the offense. If Vannett does anything, hey great that is just extra. I was tired of watching Cook and Josh Hill not do much in the passing game.

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    So just watching the highlights of these two Pro Day QBs, can we bury the nonsense take that the 49ers traded up to 3 for Mac Jones?

    The guy is just a younger Jimmy G.
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    Broncos/Lions is going to be great. Who is ready for Goff and Lock to trade throwing terrible picks while staring down their first options?

    Quote Originally Posted by Slowpoke is a Gamer View Post
    So just watching the highlights of these two Pro Day QBs, can we bury the nonsense take that the 49ers traded up to 3 for Mac Jones?

    The guy is just a younger Jimmy G.
    In case you don't know, throwing at pro day workouts is pointless. Not only are they not in pads, they have no defenders on the field, AND they are scripted+practiced for weeks beforehand. What they are doing will never occur during a real game and are of no indication of the throws they can make in a real game situation.

    It is basically the 40 yard dash for skill position players or bench press for lineman. Useless.
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    17 game season is a go!

    https://twitter.com/MikeGarafolo/sta...64743286681607

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    Here's the new matchups for Week 18.

    https://twitter.com/NFL/status/1376965368384614400

    That GB-KC game sells this by itself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slowpoke is a Gamer View Post
    17 game season is a go!

    https://twitter.com/MikeGarafolo/sta...64743286681607

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    Here's the new matchups for Week 18.

    https://twitter.com/NFL/status/1376965368384614400

    That GB-KC game sells this by itself.
    I don't like the 17th game. Some teams have 9 home games now which is a small advantage. 16 games has been the right amount for years. Of course I'll watch it but it still sucks.

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    At least they made the 17th game conference based so this year AFC teams host NFC teams. So all NFC teams will have 8 home games/9road and that flips next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyanion View Post
    I don't like the 17th game. Some teams have 9 home games now which is a small advantage. 16 games has been the right amount for years. Of course I'll watch it but it still sucks.

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    At least they made the 17th game conference based so this year AFC teams host NFC teams. So all NFC teams will have 8 home games/9road and that flips next year.
    Yeah that was a smart play at least so within conference the "extra home game" won't become a controversy if a team wins the 1 seed by a single game difference.

    Also apparently they can't extend it to 18 again until the CBA expires, so we can all buckle up for a decade of this.
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    Odd number is a bit odd, but I'll take it. For now. When all the blames and flames are flying across the table due to whatever (pseudo-)controversial happening eventually, I might take it back.

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    18 women have come out in defense of Watson, but he's still down 21-18
    /s

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    18 women have come out in defense of Watson, but he's still down 21-18
    Yeah, but how many of them are real? That might change things up.

    Seriously though, everything surrounding the allegations just seems off on both sides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grube View Post
    Yeah, but how many of them are real? That might change things up.

    Seriously though, everything surrounding the allegations just seems off on both sides.
    I think it's undeniable he does something inappropriate, but how far it goes is questionable. The woman from the article linked earlier detailed some weird actions that that show opportunities of escalating --like someone else said, why is he going to so many outside masseuse instead of the team appointed one-- but she also said she offered to massage him again twice. And while she's not part of the lawsuit she does say she's exploring her options with other lawyers so the altruistic implication is misleading.

    But even if it's just 1 who had his dick stuck in her mouth and he came on her that's a big deal, though a much bigger deal done this way than had it been only her.
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    Trouble in LA: https://twitter.com/nathanfenno/stat...63214477963264

    "BREAKING: Fate of Chargers' ownership at stake as Dean Spanos' sister asks court to force sale."

    If the Spanos family does end up selling the team, it would probably lead to an extremely interesting bidding war.

    Team in LA, young good QB, brand new stadium, brand new labor deal, brand new TV rights deal.

    Would almost certainly set a new standard for what NFL teams are worth.

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