They opened a can of worms now - In before balance druid nerfs...And why not fire mages too, and ret paladins.
PS im feral druid and I hate convoke anyway, but convoke is even dumber on balance druid than us feral or guardian.
They opened a can of worms now - In before balance druid nerfs...And why not fire mages too, and ret paladins.
PS im feral druid and I hate convoke anyway, but convoke is even dumber on balance druid than us feral or guardian.
Rogue is currently the 6th most popular DPS class in raid:
1. Hunter
2. Mage
3. Druid
4. Warlock
5. Death Knight
6. Rogue
7. Priest
8. Monk
9. Demon Hunter
10. Warrior
11. Paladin
12. Shaman
It is a top 3 class in M+ DPS:
1. Mage
2. Druid
3. Rogue
4. Hunter
Can't speak to PVP, really. But rogue has been a top PVP DPS since... well... classic.
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Whats awkward with shadowpriest dots?
https://www.arenamate.net/?region=&r...r=3v3&faction=
Look at the top 15 specs? Where is the lock? Couldn't find one?
While shadow is the best dot spec in 3s.
So, to summarize affliction lock:
class design sucks, new gameplay mechanic sucks and feel pointless(MR, casts to do dmg with dots, just isn't fun and can be shut down, unlike pve), legendaries give effects that should be mandatory - but no most needed tankiness, and tankiness was completely removed, squishiest affliction design up to date.
awkward class design + squishy = class disappared, some few play it in raids, because its high dps, but its not fun to play. This class is the most dead class in shadowlands by design, only a huge class revamp could fix that.
Demology even got it worse, its only best in Thorgast twisted corridors......there is no other purpose.
Ofc, it raises an eyebrow when blizz bring non-lock updates for serveral months now that actually matter in class design.
Seems blizz got back to their old model to have only 1 dude do the class design, apparantly.
Spoiler: The affliction buff doesn't cut it, dmg isn't their problem, squishiness is, demon armor allready is at 150% anyways, doesn't change a single thing against combustion and convoke, if your 3 min wall is on cd, you are dead, with no peels/heals around, even with the wall you are dead most of the times. You are even global'd if you are demology with soullink and wall up.
This will happen open field in rbgs - in arenas you still got pillars.
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What has BFA to do with this? And in BFA only destro was king, the other 2 specs were utter garbage in pvp. Imagine someone is demology for a long time in pvp and this is the 2nd expansion in a row were you are not viable at all?
I'd suggest playing lock in pvp then I bet it will make you unsub form this game, you are like 2 expansions back in comparission to most other classes or so called S Tiers, you are much slower, not just runspeed, you need to cast for dot dmg and you need to cast for demology like crazy, too. And destro has big hits, but lacked his defensives and still is slower doing his burst than most S Tier classes, with so many classes that do not cast at all for the big dmg and are labeled casters.(fmage, boomkin)
The irony is, the weakest spec, demology, has some potential to be fun, if devs would fix it so, that its not so much about hard casts to deal any dmg at all. Also the dmg output needs to be buffed by a very huge number to stay competitive. i am speaking of all dmg increase +20% at least.
Interestingly enough 3 DIFFERENT places have a differing opinion
One place has from very bottom to top DH, Monk, Shaman, Warlock
2 other places have from very bottom to top Monk, Shaman, Warlock
In all cases Rogue was at the very LEAST, 8th played class with the average being the 7th most played class
And the 3 worst from ALL 3 places was Monk, Shaman Warlock in that order with small changes in the order after that (on place had DK after Lock and another had priest after Lock)
But you get the idea.
FAR FAR being the most unpopular.
I will grant though that the data is before the expansion but to say Rogue is the MOST underplayed and least represented is a falsehood. Unless of course you can provide actual proof similar but not exact like I have.
Not really a point to speak about rbgs, when moonkins are the best caster as usual anyways, it slow to setup and you can't get glad there, so...?
But lets discuss this anyways.
I played with searing nightmare when logged onto my shadowpriest, its place is merely for mythic+, why use that in pvp?
Even in RBGs you should use misery? look at the leaderboard for rbgs shadowpriets above 2,2k use misery.
And while affliction performs better in rbgs, shadow is still above fire mage and elemental shaman in rbgs, and overall, a good bg class, that performs much better in 3s arena and only need about 1 week to get high rated while i look for ever at the lfg tool to find the a group that fits my CR.
Class design doesn't change either, shaowpriests got an overhaul and the good stuff, affliction got awkward MR and its tankiness removed, yeah with 3 healers you might survive...you might survive even with 1 healer if you have a really good setup, but you definately do not survive without any healer, shadow can have pure DD comps and do well.
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while i totally agree, i have to add that i see not that much tragedy in being just lower mid ground (if even), for a class dominating PvE for the last 5-8 years, and PvP from Vanilla to WoD or so.
Hell, i am not even talking PvE wise about raids (where they dominated A LOT), but just look even at the INSANE state in which Blizz allowed this class to be, in M+ as Outlaw from Legion till end of BfA. We are not talking about 1% in front of all others. We talk about a loooooot here.
that said, i agree to what you said, in the actual state of the game. but if ANY class deserves the lower end for a while, ... well... then for sure as hell it is the rogue class.
to back up my statement and to proof my recall, just have a look at warcraftlogs.
Last edited by Niwes; 2021-03-03 at 11:29 PM.