Lootboxes are going to be 18+ in Germany

[chronia]

In reality game developers want to abuse you to pay more money. And that's not healthy.

In what way? You pay a sub for WoW, nothing more, nothing less. I don't pay more the longer i play, i don't pay less if i play less. For WoW you know exactly what you pay for, upfront. And its the players choice what he does with what he pay's for.

[MrLachyG]

This is why no one can take mmo-champion posters seriously.

1 post like this negates all other posts and opinions because it overwhelms any sort of logic left on here.

I simply cant, i am gonna get banned again if i actually voice how stupid this is.

yep. you'd get banned while the people who use no logic and shitpost daily get off scot free

[Utrrabbit]

Overall, what I want - is obscure RNG schemes to be prohibited. I.e. RNG scheme should be open, transparent and player should know exact chances (i.e. average amounts of tries) to get certain pieces of loot in advance.

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Any artificial gating in sub-based game can be treated as hidden "buying".

The dumbest of dumbest ideas I have ever heard in my life.

[potis]

yep. you'd get banned while the people who use no logic and shitpost daily get off scot free

Yeah i know, i really wonder why blogposts and shitposting is allowed over, any sort of logical response, even if semi-offensive like "What is this stupid ass post" is bannable.

Its why i stopped helping people on the computer part of the forum also, the blogposting even appears in there lately.

[fatgunn]

Why do lootboxes even need to be banned. Can't people just be responsible for their own, or their kid's, actions.........

[KOUNTERPARTS]

Why do lootboxes even need to be banned. Can't people just be responsible for their own, or their kid's, actions.........

Whoa, slow down there guy. One step at a time.

[Santti]

Gambling mechanics, where you pay real money for a set of random assortment of in-game goods should be banned, or at the very least, regulated in the same manner gambling already is.

But your idea is just nuts. There is nothing inherently wrong with RNG in video games.

[Vasilisa]

except, you can somehow manage what loot you get from vault.

you can get pvp loot if you want, or target certain dungeon or target only 3 bosses in CN.

How can you target certain dungeons? Even when I did certain dungeons I was getting loot from different ones from weekly Vault.

[huth]

No.
In actual human language gambling is defined by "betting on odds for monetary gain".

What matters is the legal definition, not the language definition.

And li'l Timmy may very well have stolen his parents credit card for that purpose(or rather, taken it without explicit permission or knowledge). By having these rules in place, the parents then have a legal way to demand payback.

As for "not forced", it's not called gambling addiction for nothing.

Next time your friend buys a lootbox or some other P2W shit tell them how subhuman they are and not be like "okay please government do something".

I'm sure insulting them will help. Rather than curtailing the behaviour of companies preying on addicts and minors.

[Santti]

Why do lootboxes even need to be banned. Can't people just be responsible for their own, or their kid's, actions.........

It's gambling. And gambling is already heavily regulated. Lootboxes should fall under those regulations, at the very least.

[XDurionX]

Why do lootboxes even need to be banned. Can't people just be responsible for their own, or their kid's, actions.........

Kids are not contractually capable, your child buying lootboxes without your consent is illegal to begin with. So making lootboxes 18+ would change nothing.

[Samuraijake]

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What about other kinds of RNG-fraud, like getting duplicates from Vault? Gaming market grows, but it doesn't look healthy. Because game developers don't want to earn their money via working hard and making good games. They want to get quick and easy money via selling virtual drugs to kids with low level of self-control. What do you think? Shouldn't RNG be regulated by governments to avoid gambling-like mechanics and RNG-frauding?

Game Devs dont make that decision... the "Director" does. OP's name says it all btw.

[Vasilisa]

Why do lootboxes even need to be banned. Can't people just be responsible for their own, or their kid's, actions.........

Why ban anything then? Hard drugs, heavy arms, etc? Let people take responsibility for their own actions.

[Freedom]

Why ban anything then? Hard drugs, heavy arms, etc? Let people take responsibility for their own actions.

Nuclear weapons for everyone!

(Aside - I don't understand why making lootboxes, or hell even Pokemon/Hearthstone/Magic card packs be 16+ or 18+ would be so horrible. Want your kid to have them? Buy them yourself! Some people on the Internet may as well be arguing "But 10 year olds should be able to buy cigarettes because FREEDOM!"... what happened to pragmatism, common sense, instead of blind ideological fervor?)

[huth]

Kids are not contractually capable, your child buying lootboxes without your consent is illegal to begin with. So making lootboxes 18+ would change nothing.

Actually, it does change things. Without this, there'd be a lot of legal wrangling over who exactly was responsible for purchase. If the game is 18+, then either it was the parents, or they let their child play something it wasn't supposed to, so they're responsible either way. This actually puts more pressure on the parents, not less.

[Dhrizzle]

Gambling, by definition, does not need to entail any monetary gain.
"The betting or staking of something of value, with consciousness of risk and hope of gain, on the outcome of a game, a contest, or an uncertain event whose result may be determined by chance or accident or have an unexpected result by reason of the bettor's miscalculation."
Please stop spreading misinformation.

In the UK gambling laws only apply when you can win money or something easily exchangeable for money. Olst loot boxes do not fall under those laws.

This is different to Belgium which covers games of chance that have prizes with a perceived value.

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what does this have to do with wow?

What does the great vault in WoW have to do with WoW?

[Nzembwamugumbwalchu]

The very fact itself of making money from virtual entertainment should not exist at all. If you take any common sense person from any age before modern age will say that the modern age people are all insane. All persons born nowadays with all this technology are thinking is normal to be like this, which is not normal to have a virtual life, even most religions say at the end of times all people in the world will be insane.
Back to the subject you should not even be able to make a living from virtual work, but all companies are making billions if not trillions of euros / dollars in long terms. But for this to exist you must have a very poor quality life to be attracted by a game or tv show in the first place as to take its place and even create enthusiast in the mind of that person. So instead of developing the world itself and create a better quality life, the world leaders want instead to make all low lives even less intelligent then they already are and give them a virtual life where they can create literally everything and sell for how much they want.
Any kind of of gambling and rng should not exist at all in a civilized world, even real life lottery and gambling casinos should be banned completely, not only games mini transactions pay to win until you get your loot. Even if you cut it straight to the subject to just choose the lesser evil, just allow players to hard work and still win exactly what they want in games, not waste their time for a random roll and keep giving you money until they get that item / etc.
Imagine you go to work and when you have to be paid you have a low change to get your salary, a high change of getting nothing, and a zero point something chance you become extremely rich, just to make you return and keep working in case most of the cases yeah you guessed you got nothing.

[Dhrizzle]

The weekly vault is just an in-game mechanic.. its not a lootbox since you aren't paying money for it. WoW has had RNG loot since alpha. You want a BoE? farm mobs until the 0.02% chance item drops. Or kill the boss for a once a week chance at 2 pieces of loot shared between 40 people.

I think the main complaint is it is still exploiting the same psychological effects as gambling so people concerned that loot boxes may lead to people developing real world gambling problems should be equally concerned about all RNG mechanics.

[Tiwack]

Indeed OP. I'd argue in wow you pay to play and it's filled with lootboxes in the form of chests and mobs. Too bad it doesn't meet the definition for the industry lootbox because it is gambling to me. Blizz won't share drop% nor lootlists on much because they very much know it's a grey area.

[xenogear3]

Although I support this law, how do you enforce it?

It is a F2P game. Anyone can download it.
Do you need some proof to download the game?

Shouldn't anyone who uses a credit card is already 18+ ?