Stars Are Flirting With the Far Right

[Machismo]

I speak Dutch , German , Danish as well as english and i will tell you that you are wrong.



Oh fuck no. Dont claim you are one of us. It tarnishes the humanist legacy.



Woke seeks to catogerize human beings based on race , gender , sexuality etc etc etc. It is blatant racism but you think its good racism so it is allowed.



Sorry but since you are woke you lack the required principals and knowledge to pull the hitler card. try again

How does being an avowed fascist and national socialist who opposes free speech make you a humanist?

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One of the things I remember being mocked over the past few weeks is some states funding public school books that try to explain that mathematics and science are "white, western and racist". Me even giving an example is potentially already against the forum rules anyhow... so this isn't discussion that needs to be had further on this forum. It veers into off-topicness as it is already.

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Imagine voting for a right-wing status-quo party and then declaring you're changing the world.
Keeping people distracted with fantasies has been a key-tactic of politics since long, I guess.

And the lies, the undying Trump support, the other lies, the shilling for rapists, the supporting of terrorism, some more lies, shilling for racists... and some more lies.

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Woke is not progressive. Its neither left nor right. Woke is corruption like cancer. And like a cancer their is no reason to it. It supporters claim they fight racism but they themselves are blatantly racist. It claims its for the working class yet they implement policies that will hurt the working class. it claims to be egalitarian and, yet it judges you for your race gender and sexuality.

How does support of racism make someone a humanist?

[Felya]

Woke is not progressive. Its neither left nor right. Woke is corruption like cancer. And like a cancer their is no reason to it. It supporters claim they fight racism but they themselves are blatantly racist. It claims its for the working class yet they implement policies that will hurt the working class. it claims to be egalitarian and, yet it judges you for your race gender and sexuality.

It’s a boogie man your leaders created to get away with having no policy... I am sorry... what you are describing is an empty husk, to be filled with vitriol for those you disagree with, but don’t understand why. If you prefer to be asleep... conservative parties around the world no longer hide the fact that it’s required...

[postman1782]

Yes its called : anywhere but america.

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I consider Canada to be even worse.

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The rest of the world disagrees.

And yet, I doubt you know what you are talking about, simply because you think you do and your staunch support for one of the most racist people in the US as a whole.

[Felya]

The rest of the world disagrees.

Maybe in your bubble... I’ve spoken Russian, Hebrew, German and Italian... I’ve lead teams in Beijing, Dublin and Mumbai... I’ve been to Italy, France and Spain, within the last 4 years... If we go by personal experience... those are my credentials and I disagree with your assertions.

[JohnBrown1917]

I speak Dutch , German , Danish as well as english and i will tell you that you are wrong.

Nah, you clearly don't. I don't think you understood part of the quote was still against racism.

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Americans tend to be ignorant about the world outside their borders unfortunately.

I mean, racism being rampant everywhere does not exactly mean that going further left is somehow a bad thing because the far right is racist?

Its nice you imply that the US is less racist than all of europe, but I don't think all European countries have a police force so racist they constantly abuse and kill minorities when given the chance at a far higher rate.

[Endus]

I consider Canada to be even worse.

This is just you being prejudiced. You don't have an argument; just empty nation-bashing.

The rest of the world disagrees.

"The rest of the world" isn't a single entity, and you don't speak for any of them.

Get back to me when you've got, like, anything that backs up your malarkey. Because what you've cited thus far went directly against your claims.

Meanwhile, just to debunk your claims of being a "humanist" or anywhere remotely left-wing, or even European;

Oh goodie a leftwinger accusing me of being a sheep. This will completely change the way im going to vote. Better lube your ass for november lad because we are going to go hard and deep.

Here you A> attacking all left-wingers, and B> talking about how you personally were voting in November last year, meaning you're either American or were lying at some point in here and really, it doesn't matter which one's the lie, you're a liar either way.

Inflict enough damage in democratic cities and the democrats will cave to any demand.

Some "humanism".

Neither does BLM have a reason to exist until the black community solves the problem of black on black crime, dropout from schools and of course teen pregnancies. Those issues are far more important then silly things like police violence that only counts for a small percentage of black deaths in America.

Also im not surprised about this. The 白左 seem so obsessed putting minority groups on the victim pedestal and they cannot see the problems of racism between ethnic minorities. Europe has the same issue but in this case its between Asians and North-Africans.

You making white nationalist posts.

You're not a humanist. You're a white nationalist who's perfectly willing to lie about who they are and what they stand for. We've got your post history right there for anyone to peruse. And that's just poking through for posts you were actually infracted for; who'd know what I could find if I dug deeper?

[JohnBrown1917]

Yes its called : anywhere but america.

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I consider Canada to be even worse.

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The rest of the world disagrees.

Making the US to be out as some left-wing paradise when some of its states are hardcore right-wing conservatives lol

[Felya]

This is just you being prejudiced. You don't have an argument; just empty nation-bashing.

I really don’t know how someone can like US, but dislike Canada... I like Southpark jokes as much as the next guy, but in reality... we are so similar in the practical sense.

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Making the US to be out as some left-wing paradise when some of its states are hardcore right-wing conservatives lol

As someone who lived in USSR... yeah... a lot of people in destitute and oppressed, see US as a beacon of hope... you might think it’s not deserved, but that would be a different argument.

[Elegiac]

Indeed we humanist are responsible for banning the slave trade human rights , woman rights and more.

You don't get points for fixing systems you instituted in the first place, sweaty.

And you have no part in that and you never contributed to that. So why should i take you woke types seriously?

Exactly what have you done in that regard besides winning the birth lottery? Rofl.

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Woke is not progressive. Its neither left nor right. Woke is corruption like cancer. And like a cancer their is no reason to it. It supporters claim they fight racism but they themselves are blatantly racist. It claims its for the working class yet they implement policies that will hurt the working class. it claims to be egalitarian and, yet it judges you for your race gender and sexuality.

You're welcome to provide evidence of any of this shit, rofl.

[Magical Mudcrab]

One of the things I remember being mocked over the past few weeks is some states funding public school books that try to explain that mathematics and science are "white, western and racist". Me even giving an example is potentially already against the forum rules anyhow... so this isn't discussion that needs to be had further on this forum. It veers into off-topicness as it is already.

The only time I've ever seen the concept of maths and sciences being labelled as racist is (1) in the context of unequal schooling (primarily in the U.S.) leading to different outcomes and both topics being largely barred to minority students (i.e.: if you are black in America, you are less likely to have opportunities for higher education afforded to you, for example), (2) discussing social phenomenon around those subjects and how culture socializes some groups away from them, or (3) discussing math in practice instead of just focusing on abstract theories (i.e.: discussing misusage of statistics and how it is used to erase minority experience, for example). (1) and (2) are not strictly about math or science, rather the social phenomenon surrounding them and discussing ways in which to make them more inclusive (you should want competent, qualified individuals to pursue those careers), and (3) is really something that should be covered anyhow (i.e.: applications and misapplications of theoretical material should be discussed to help students learn).

If you can give examples negative, damaging ways in which math is being attacked as "white, wester and racist" that is leading to meaningful and damaging change, then do so. I'm sure if you could provide (reliable, unbiased) sources people will be willing to engage with those specific examples in another thread; however, I guarantee that any instance of people talking about decolonizing the sciences or discussing the sciences as racist are going to be doing so in one of the manners noted above.

[Dezerte]

Social justice is a core value in humanism and social democratism. Anyone claiming it isn't is a... you know what.

[Orange Joe]

Yes I was speaking anecdotally based on all the evidence I've gathered in life and how people's actions have been corroborated by their words 99% of the times. It's my default assumption. My life experiences has given me a high level trust in people as opposed to a 'paranoid' person who by definition experiences very high levels of distrust towards others and is suspicious by default. I feel sorry for you if your frame of mind fits into the latter category.

The irony of this, coming from the guy, that says we can't use history to predict the future.

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I'm supportive of the truth, not blinded by ideology. I find that far more important as someone who supports left-wing or progressive ideas and concepts.

Didn't you lie about living in florida and voting in the US election?

[Orange Joe]

No, that is just one of the many assumptions that keeps getting repeated so people don't actually have to address any difficult arguments.

Yeah.. no. I saw the post. You said you lived in Florida and was coming to the US to vote.

[DKjaigen]

You don't get points for fixing systems you instituted in the first place, sweaty.

The systems do not matter. What is more important is that you realize why slavery and racism is bad and how people got to that conclusion. Woke people like yourself judge events from modern day values that we humanist gave you. It shows extreme ignorance and also shows me why your thought process is so corrupt. You fundamentally do not understand how modern day values came to be or how to maintain them.

Exactly what have you done in that regard besides winning the birth lottery? Rofl.

Maintaining modern day values which you are not doing.

[postman1782]

The systems do not matter. What is more important is that you realize why slavery and racism is bad and how people got to that conclusion. Woke people like yourself judge events from modern day values that we humanist gave you. It shows extreme ignorance and also shows me why your thought process is so corrupt. You fundamentally do not understand how modern day values came to be or how to maintain them.



Maintaining modern day values which you are not doing.

You have no fucking clue what a humanist is, so, I don't know why you keep claiming you are one.

[Felya]

The systems do not matter. What is more important is that you realize why slavery and racism is bad and how people got to that conclusion. Woke people like yourself judge events from modern day values that we humanist gave you. It shows extreme ignorance and also shows me why your thought process is so corrupt. You fundamentally do not understand how modern day values came to be or how to maintain them.

When has in your history, being asleep towards politics, a bad thing? You say modern day... but, it’s you changing traditions to fit a mold, that frankly doesn’t make sense. You guys made a billionaire oligarch from NYC, into a populist. You made kneeling, an insult. Now ya’ll are now telling people to stay asleep, since being awake is an affront?

Talk about corrupt...

[Felya]

The assumption being that I don't have dual citizenship...

Can you please just tell people you changed your location to Florida, in the middle of an argument about Bernie not being able to win Florida? The original lie and it’s justification, is nowhere near as bad as tower of card you have built sense. Just admit it, for the sake of no more derailed threads, if not to make your self look just a tab better.

They’ll just go dark and come back with a new name like they did when caught lying about their military service as True Anarch.

It just irks me... the truth, at least about the location thing, is what shows that it wasn’t said to support Trump, but to support Bernie. The truth explains what happened and simply doesn’t make him look as bad as the elaborate crap built on top of it... to explain something that the truth would actually solve... frustrating, bro...

[unfilteredJW]

Can you please just tell people you changed your location to Florida, in the middle of an argument about Bernie not being able to win Florida? The original lie and it’s justification, is nowhere near as bad as tower of card you have built sense. Just admit it, for the sake of no more derailed threads, if not to make your self look just a tab better.

They’ll just go dark and come back with a new name like they did when caught lying about their military service as True Anarch.

[Felya]

Social justice is a core value in humanism and social democratism. Anyone claiming it isn't is a... you know what.

It only makes sense... we’d go extinct without it... if in genetic evolutionary battle, apathy beat out empathy, our entire existence would be different. We would still be in caves, if existed at all...

[Machismo]

No, that is just one of the many assumptions that keeps getting repeated so people don't actually have to address any difficult arguments.

Now you are lying about being caught lying...

Jesus man, when you have to change your username every month in order to try and hide from those lies, then maybe you should just stop.

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You have no fucking clue what a humanist is, so, I don't know why you keep claiming you are one.

Would a humanist support white supremacy, ethnic cleansing, and racism?

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The assumption being that I don't have dual citizenship...

Evidence, please.