- Christopher HitchensPopulists (and "national socialists") look at the supposedly secret deals that run the world "behind the scenes". Child's play. Except that childishness is sinister in adults.
Is this another thread where Milschake, one of the more conservative posters, pretends to be left-wing?
Oh no, my bad, I ment cosplay as a leftist.
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People who are to the right of even neo-liberals pretending to understand leftism is also a joke. In leftist circles, outside nazbolls, nobody either has any fucking idea who Dore is or hate him.
It's really simple, leftism is about egalitarianism and disadvantaged people getting equal and fair treatment.
My point in this thread is that you if are reasoning about what a person says at the level of ideas then it doesn't matter in the slightest if a "crypto" right or left winger labels and markets themselves as the opposite. They will either have a good or bad idea and then you'll either agree or disagree with them and then debate why that is the case and maybe you'll convince them that they are wrong. It literally doesn't matter if there is a bunch of "infiltrators" because it doesn't change the content of what they are saying. Worrying about people, groups, associations, "secret motives", and "sinister alliances" instead of the underlying issues and points they care about is a waste of time unless you subscribe to some kind of Machiavellian worldview.
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What is it, is AOC/Bernie communists, or are they neolib's who disagee with Jimmy Dore?
Extreme right wingers are so sad in their confusion.
You know when you were losing your shit, demanding AOC and all the progressives in congress be primaried, through force the vote? When you scroll down on that site... you see that Jimmy Dore logo? Yeah... he is the puppeteer or financier... depending on how you want to look at it...
Folly and fakery have always been with us... but it has never before been as dangerous as it is now, never in history have we been able to afford it less. - Isaac Asimov
Every damn thing you do in this life, you pay for. - Edith Piaf
The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. - Orwell
No amount of belief makes something a fact. - James Randi
You might want to check Jello for Mayor campaign... just sayin’...
Edit: Check that... check him running against Nader for Green Party in the 90s... that’s a better example...
Edit 2: Getting off on a tangent here... but, you might want to familiarize your self with American punk from NYC:
Guess what the name of the album means and the year it was released... he isn’t singing about robots in disguise...
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Folly and fakery have always been with us... but it has never before been as dangerous as it is now, never in history have we been able to afford it less. - Isaac Asimov
Every damn thing you do in this life, you pay for. - Edith Piaf
The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. - Orwell
No amount of belief makes something a fact. - James Randi
- Christopher HitchensPopulists (and "national socialists") look at the supposedly secret deals that run the world "behind the scenes". Child's play. Except that childishness is sinister in adults.
If this is one of your pet projects instead of actually helping those in need at this time. Then there is your problem.
Congratulations you found a biased opinion piece of someone I actually dislike, but forcing me to point out how much of another feckless and pointless thread this is. I get you want to cultivate a (BLUE) can do no evil mindset here. However, it's simple not even close to true, and you spending all your time vilifying those who want things like a living wage, Universal Healthcare, and is actually critical of democrats shows you care more about being part of a team then actual policy that can help people.
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People truly believe in their ideas 99% of the time so bad faith is rare even though it does happen. Can you give an example of an argument that Magnus Panvidya made in bad faith to Jimmy Dore where he was just trying to deceive people regarding his true position?
Also, even a bad faith person could be convinced by your good arguments so all you're really doing is cutting yourself off from a larger audience and leaving them open to folks like Jimmy Dore who will benefit from exposure to new subscribers.
Reality is muddy unless you're a person who wants to believe that everything is crystal clear. Some people will maintain their dislike of other people at any cost so that they can continue believing that their position is the only reasonable position. Not that this is unique to progressives in any way since racists/homophobes/etc do the exact same thing.Doing so only provides a platform where they can try and muddy the waters.
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Was socialism part of Jello’s mayoral or presidential campaigns? NYC punk is what ya’ll call neoliberal identity politics... because back then, you could pretend those identities didn’t exist.
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Forced? Really? Was Jimmy forced to demand that every progressive in congress be primaried, then platform boogaloos?
Folly and fakery have always been with us... but it has never before been as dangerous as it is now, never in history have we been able to afford it less. - Isaac Asimov
Every damn thing you do in this life, you pay for. - Edith Piaf
The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. - Orwell
No amount of belief makes something a fact. - James Randi
Why are you all falling for Milchshake's shitposting again and again and again?
Folly and fakery have always been with us... but it has never before been as dangerous as it is now, never in history have we been able to afford it less. - Isaac Asimov
Every damn thing you do in this life, you pay for. - Edith Piaf
The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. - Orwell
No amount of belief makes something a fact. - James Randi