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YOu still have the choice to do content. There is zero reason to have flying as you can get anywhere in Shadowlands in no time at all. This argument needs to stop because it isn't valid.
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Or maybe you are stating a subjective opinion and they don't think their zones are mediocre. That is you trying to present your opinion as fact.
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Aagin, this ignores the problem no-flyers have. They aren't going to gimp themselves when flying is available. The only egotist is you wanting the game catered solely to you. You can go without flying for awhile. The game is easily playable without it.
People really need to stop trying to get rid of flying/make it useless. Flying is fine. If you don't want to fly, don't. Some (most) people like to get their daily stuff done and not have it drag out because of terrain or distance. It's okay for "ground content" to become less of a focus over the course of an expansion. Not everything in the game has to have you super engaged at every possible moment and I don't understand the need for everything to be a pain in the ass/challenge to satisfy some hardcore need to have everything an uphill battle. As loathed as many are to admit it, WoW is primarily a PVE game with pvp thrown in as a side activity. Compare the viewing audiences for the PVP vs World First races for that. This sounds less like a "I want to fix this" and more of a "War Mode player wanting to gank more" and is angry people are avoiding world pvp/escaping.
"Honor, young heroes. No matter how dire the battle, never forsake it."Varok Saurfang
Honestly, I hate this argument. Because it's bullshit. Why?
1) You are fucked in PvP, when others fly, and you don't.
2) You are at a severe disadvantage, when it comes to mining/herbing.
3) Flying as it works now, is just shit design. Storm Peaks and the like are always cited as something to aspire for with flying, but really, flying makes the world flat as fuck. All Storm Peaks ever was, was a place that didn't connect it's areas with roads. That's it.
4) And really, if you are in such a hurry to log out and wait for your next raid, why not just have an instant teleport to our quest destinations and nodes? Or maybe just a button called "resolve", that dumps everything in your mailbox, in an instant. I sound all kinds of crazy, but honestly, if we had a "resolve" button, we'd be in the same situation. "Don't use it, if you don't like it". Because people would be using it, and wouldn't be willing to let go. Just like with flying, which is basically just a slow teleport. It's a tool to skip shit with, not a tool to engage with anything.
Instead, I'd rather have the whole game tailored for the ground, only. Have nodes give more resources. The Flightmasters Whistle was a good addition. Maybe slightly less mobs, and more convenient travel routes. Increase ground mount speed to 150%. That sort of thing.
But no, we have to have our instant gratifications these days. Nothing can feel like a journey and take time, and everything just needs to be conveniently "there".
The whole point in flying is to make it so you can get to your preferred content faster, your whole argument is invalid, why should a player who doesnt care about world quests at all and does raids/mythic plus be screwed over because you dont want flying in the game, why do you think its ok to waste a players time when flying gets you to your content faster.
Flying has been in the game since TBC its plain stupid to ask it to be either limited or removed completely, your asking for content that has been in the game for an age to be removed.
A player flying doesnt effect your gameplay any way at all, if you want to just use a ground mount then by all means, stop being so arrogant claiming flying doesnt need to be ingame, when its a part of the game.
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Oh fuck off with that disingenuous strawman argument. Wanting to be efficient does not equal everything being completed with the press of one button. If that's the case, lets install a "Win WOW" button that charges you 2 years worth of subscription, gives you BIS gear and cancels your account?
put the flight option behind the exploration/adventurer meta achi. Make it a bit easier without impossible spawn rates and that's it
...Le Poète est semblable au prince des nuées
Qui hante la tempête e se rit de l'archer;
Exilé sul le sol au milieu des huées,
Ses ailes de géant l'empêchent de marcher.
Charles Baudelaire
Thanks for describing flight paths to us in more words.
I would welcome the teleports like challenge modes, get all dungeons at mythic plus 15 and you can teleport to the instance and it resets when you clear it.
I enjoy bonuses where your at least have to do something of a reasonable challenge to earn. If only they kept doing CMs each expansion so you have a nice dungeon transmog to earn and some extra teleports.
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No it isn't false. I can get to wherever I want to go very quickly. IN fact, the way flying is going to work in Shadowlands means you will have to take a FP from zone to zone before you can even use your flying mount so you won't be saving any real time. Your argument needs to stop.
You hate the argument because you want people to play the game your way. This isn't classic and the mentality of "it needs to be back like it was in ye olden times" is just absurd. I have other games I like to play because unlike so many people that play this game I understand that it is literally impossible to have one game entertain me fully forever. I don't want to have to spend hours running around to get boring daily shit done which is required to stay up to date. I want to get it done then go enjoy other things with my friends or even other aspects of the game.
The argument "don't use it if you don't want it" is valid because I'm not trying to force everyone to play a more tedious version of the game by suggesting otherwise. Most people like the convenience of flying. That was proven way back in WoD when they tried to get rid of it and had to put it back in. People wanting flying gone are in the minority Blizzard should rightly cater and design the game around the majority. Not a small fraction who want everyone to spend hours toiling away at things that could be done in 45 minutes.
We explore the world in the beginning when flying isn't implemented. After months of exploring there isn't anything new to be discovered and taking round about flightpaths that refuse to go from A to B without going super far out of the way to show off the same bit of scenery we've seen for the 1000th time doesn't cut it. Some of us value our time a bit more than that but that doesn't mean we don't appreciate the design of the world.
I'm sick and tired of the mindset gamers have now-a-days where they try to force everyone to play a game their way because they believe they know how it should be done. If you want to herb and mine, fly, if you want to explore the world to satisfy your wanderlust with the same rock you've seen 1000+ times in an expansion do that. idk what else to tell you.
"Honor, young heroes. No matter how dire the battle, never forsake it."Varok Saurfang
Please. I barely takes any time to get anywhere. AN other minute isn't going to kill you. You aren't "spending hours running around to get boring saily stuff done". That is a bogus strawman.
No it isn't valid because nobody is going to gimp themselves when flying is available. And again, nobody is taking hours to do something that could be done in 45 minutes. Anyone who is doing that is doing it on prupose simply to bolster a bogus flying argument.The argument "don't use it if you don't want it" is valid because I'm not trying to force everyone to play a more tedious version of the game by suggesting otherwise. Most people like the convenience of flying. That was proven way back in WoD when they tried to get rid of it and had to put it back in. People wanting flying gone are in the minority Blizzard should rightly cater and design the game around the majority. Not a small fraction who want everyone to spend hours toiling away at things that could be done in 45 minutes.
That is why they need to add more to be discovered. And you never go "super far out of the way to go from A to B". That is bogus hyperbole.We explore the world in the beginning when flying isn't implemented. After months of exploring there isn't anything new to be discovered and taking round about flightpaths that refuse to go from A to B without going super far out of the way to show off the same bit of scenery we've seen for the 1000th time doesn't cut it. Some of us value our time a bit more than that but that doesn't mean we don't appreciate the design of the world.
Then you should be sick and tired of yourself. You are guilty of the exact same mindset. You are trying to dictate that flying should be in the game because you believe you know how it should be done. That is why Pathfinder exists. NO flyers get to ahve it their way for awhile, then the flyers can fly where ever they want for the rest of it. The flyers still have not compromised as they still demand flying be given to them immediately. No flyers actually have because they accepted Pathfinder after originally getting no flying in WoD.I'm sick and tired of the mindset gamers have now-a-days where they try to force everyone to play a game their way because they believe they know how it should be done. If you want to herb and mine, fly, if you want to explore the world to satisfy your wanderlust with the same rock you've seen 1000+ times in an expansion do that. idk what else to tell you.