Punk rockers/anarchists and Libertarians, what is the difference?

[Machismo]

As soon as you buy your own island that’s independent of all tax laws genius. Can’t afford that? Too bad. That’s exactly what you advocate for.

How very harmful of you...

[Mayhem]

I assume that's up to Bill Gates. If one is to argue that not paying gfor another's treatment is causing harm, then literally everyone who doesn't pay the tax that pays for that... is causing harm.

I simply disagree with such a mentality. I don't see how that fits the definition of harm.

The tax that pays for that?

You don't see how people having to decide between a home/a job/enough food or medical treatment causes harm? Interesting

[Machismo]

The tax that pays for that?

You don't see how people having to decide between a home/a job/enough food or medical treatment causes harm? Interesting

You guys are the ones arguing that not paying for someone else's healthcare is personally and directly harming them. There's tens of millions of Americans who don't pay those taxes... meaning you believe they are harming all those others.

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It’s not harmful of me on any way shape or form. You’re the one advocating for these policies, I’m just letting you hang yourself. The only one being harmful is you.

I'm not advocating for harming others.

[Machismo]

You are, constantly. See privatizing infrastructure for a start.

So, everything that isn't socialism or communism is harming others?

Tell me more.

[Mayhem]

When do I get to keep all my money, bud?

When you pay for everything yourself. No ifs, buts, or anything, you have to pay for everything that you use/need/want every time you use/need/want it. If you do that, then you can keep all of your money.

[Machismo]

When you pay for everything yourself. No ifs, buts, or anything, you have to pay for everything that you use/need/want every time you use/need/want it. If you do that, then you can keep all of your money.

Great, where do I sign up?

Make it all based in usage.

[Machismo]

Nope. Nice strawman. Care to try again?

It's your fucking argument...

Your definition ition of harm doesn't seem to jive with the actual definition.

[Mayhem]

You guys are the ones arguing that not paying for someone else's healthcare is personally and directly harming them. There's tens of millions of Americans who don't pay those taxes... meaning you believe they are harming all those others.

There is no tax that pays for that. What the fuck are you talking bout? You don't have optional universal healthcare (whatever that would even look like). So yes, there are tens of millions of Americans that are harming all those others and themselves because, in the end, people die unnecessarily and everyone pays more.

So you're advocating for paying more than needed so that poor folk can suffer. At least only PC2 is calling that ethical. You just call it personal freedom or so.

[Mayhem]

He claims that’s me harming him though. He wants no harm AND no fiscal responsibility when it comes to society. So, like I said. Live alone on an island you own.

Yeah he isn't really thinking things through or sticking to his arguments.

[Machismo]

By buying your own island. Already explained this genius. Everyone else understands that society requires everyone chipping in. Fuck, you yourself claim to support governance. How do you pay for that?

Start by lowering taxes and government spending considerably. That's the first of many steps.

[PC2]

Man, in your world polio and smallpox would still be running wild and killing thousands/millions every year. Truly, an enlightened world.

No, in my world polio and smallpox would have been eradicated much sooner than it actually was.

You're just trying to work your way back around to "taxation is theft", which is such a ragingly dishonest argument it deserves nothing but mockery and condemnation. Only the lunatic fringe believe that kind of thing; it's right up there with chemtrails and ancient aliens for "what the living fuck are you even thinking".

I didn't say any of that. A lot of taxes are good and fine because most of us consent to paying for basic stuff like roads, military, food stamps, etc.

Every prominent Libertarian to enter into a debate ever? Hell, I asked you to link one that did a good job representing your beliefs and you couldn’t.

It's better to focus on ideas and not focus on people but with that said I would say Yaron Brook is the best example. He whined about Trump and right wingers for the last 4 years just like Machismo.

[Mayhem]

Great, where do I sign up?

Make it all based in usage.

In corporate-fun-land where the ones with land and money have all the power.

[Machismo]

There is no tax that pays for that. What the fuck are you talking bout? You don't have optional universal healthcare (whatever that would even look like). So yes, there are tens of millions of Americans that are harming all those others and themselves because, in the end, people die unnecessarily and everyone pays more.

So you're advocating for paying more than needed so that poor folk can suffer. At least only PC2 is calling that ethical. You just call it personal freedom or so.

Its weird that you think poor people are harming everyone else by not paying taxes.

[Edge-]

No, in my world polio and smallpox would have been eradicated much sooner than it actually was.

Why and how?

[Mayhem]

Federal taxes fund SOME healthcare. Just not for everyone.

Federal taxes are also not optional, right?

[Machismo]

You’re to one who wants to contribute nothing to society on the most basic terms(taxes). Why are you so mad someone would suggest you create your own society with none? My society requires everyone contributing to make it function. You hate that idea. Go live on an island and pay for your own infrastructure. Pay for all your own food. Pay for all your healthcare solo(because even insurance is socialist, just smaller scale and with a profit margin). Until you do those things you’re a hypocrite.

I'm not mad at all. I'm rather enjoying watching people scream that I'm harming them, because I don't want to force others to pay for your healthcare.

[Mayhem]

Its weird that you think poor people are harming everyone else by not paying taxes.

It's even weirder that you think the US has optional universal healthcare.

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You said there’s no tax that pays for healthcare...

That people can just refuse to pay.

[Machismo]

In corporate-fun-land where the ones with land and money have all the power.

Do we now oppose private property,

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Wrong, the first of many steps is you funding your own taxless society. You literally said you want to keep all your own money. That means no community funding of anything.

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You said there’s no tax that pays for healthcare...

And I said I love the idea of paying based on usage. Capitalism is fucking awesome!

[Mayhem]

I guess? In the same way that I can refuse to obey every other law...

Well according to machismo there's tens of millions of Americans refusing to pay those taxes.

[JohnBrown1917]

Do we now oppose private property,

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It'd be great if enough people would, yeah.