Punk rockers/anarchists and Libertarians, what is the difference?

[Shadowferal]

Texas privatization of electrical grids...

[Machismo]

Check your quotes. Surely you remember calling me a liar for saying you want to privatize roads when you do.

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If that’s what he means by evidence he really needs some education.

That's a distinct lack of evidence.

[Shadowferal]

If that’s what he means by evidence he really needs some education.

Privatization has iften gone hand in hand with deregulation efforts. And almost without fail dead bodies result.

[Machismo]

Evidence of what? That your desire to privatize infrastructure harms people or that you have that desire in the first place?

You claimed:

Yet you advocate for policies that would harm others. Such as privatizing infrastructure. Weird. It’s almost like your beliefs aren’t clear.

Evidence, please.

[Machismo]

Of which part? I’m not asking again.

Your claim, thanks!!!

[Machismo]

There are two there genius.

Both, thanks!!!

[Machismo]

Sure. As was already provided, see Texas. As for the other part, state for yourself. Do you support privatizing roads?

Nope, I want citations.

It's clear you have nothing more than the straw men you've built up...

I'll take that as a retraction.

[Machismo]

Yeah, you won’t answer which is a tacit admission. If you didn’t support it you’d laugh and say nope. Fun chat. Weird how you can’t say what you support yet claim you have laid it all out.

Nope, this is me not pandering to your baseless claims.

I'll go ahead and give you the last word. I'm sure it will be yet another lie and baseless accusation. May I suggest not arguing in bad faith in the future.

Good luck!!!

[Shadowferal]

Over 100 people died because of privatization of electrical grids...

[tehdang]

No, he's not right...

Being in favor of states' rights to oppress people doesn't make you a libertarian...

This is literally the same bullshit that led to the Southern Secession. Are you saying that the slaveholders were libertarians?

Queue the oppression canard. Civil war slaves, excuse for oppression, the only one you missed was Nazis and you'd have the full deck.

No, now both of you are wrong. The difference between an anti federalist and a libertarian, is that one wants state right and the other wants rights. That’s a huge difference... I know it makes you an authoritarian and that’s icky... but, it is what it is...

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8 to work, 8 to rest, 8 for recreation... is Anarchist... FYI...

I know it's icky to think a less centralized government is a libertarian direction for things, but you'll have to supersede that impulse if you want to have any understanding of libertarians.

As it stands, your huge difference is just semantics games and No True Scotsman fallacy.

"That doesn't go far enough to fit my ideal" is the narcissism of small differences. Which, granted, is a problem in libertarianism at large with all its infighting, so I guess I'll give you points for explaining the problems with that movement by exhibiting them in your own behavior. I must apologize if this was all a troll to illustrate that point.

[Machismo]

Queue the oppression canard. Civil war slaves, excuse for oppression, the only one you missed was Nazis and you'd have the full deck.


I know it's icky to think a less centralized government is a libertarian direction for things, but you'll have to supersede that impulse if you want to have any understanding of libertarians.

As it stands, your huge difference is just semantics games and No True Scotsman fallacy.

"That doesn't go far enough to fit my ideal" is the narcissism of small differences. Which, granted, is a problem in libertarianism at large with all its infighting, so I guess I'll give you points for explaining the problems with that movement by exhibiting them in your own behavior. I must apologize if this was all a troll to illustrate that point.

You guys are touting states' rights...

I simply pointed to how shitty that argument was when trying to tie it to individual liberty.

[Machismo]

And you support a government, so you too support States’ rights.

People should be free to do whatever they want, so long as they are not harming others.

It's great that you finally stopped trying to say I'm an anarchist. Thanks for admitting you were wrong/lying.

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Here ya go.

You also called me a socialist.

If you care so much go live in the woods and stop using my roads. I pay more for them than you do you socialist.

You really should try and be more consistent.

According to you, I'm an anarcho-socialist who wants to privatize everything.

[Felya]

Oh goodie... look what I just found... Punks are like libertarians? Let’s check in 1971...



Edit: How am I supposed to show punk, when these videos are age restricted... fine... that’s an interview about it...

Edit 2: I should add... YouTube has the full Women in Revolt film, split into 2 parts, in glorious VHS quality. I’d link it, but don’t want to link age restricted videos here.

[Machismo]

It’s a jab because the two ideologies are almost identical and just as silly. Anarchists actually believe exactly what you said. They just don’t think we need a government to make sure that happens. You support oppressing personal freedoms through governance.

Fine, then we can call all democratic socialists... communists.

[tehdang]

You guys are touting states' rights...

I simply pointed to how shitty that argument was when trying to tie it to individual liberty.

I'm pointing out that you have tired cliches. If you had more, well maybe you would've posted that.

De Toqueville:

Decentralization has, not only an administrative value but also a civic dimension since it increases the opportunities for citizens to take interest in public affairs; it makes them get accustomed to using freedom. And from the accumulation of these local, active, persnickety freedoms, is born the most efficient counterweight against the claims of the central government, even if it were supported by an impersonal, collective will.

I know I'm just gonna get back another "but that's State Rights" or "But that's slavery" or "But that's oppression," but whatever.

[Machismo]

Where did I call you a socialist? Certainly not in the quote you demanded evidence for.

The quote was literally provided... in the comment you responded to.

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I'm pointing out that you have tired cliches. If you had more, well maybe you would've posted that.

De Toqueville:

I know I'm just gonna get back another "but that's State Rights" or "But that's slavery" or "But that's oppression," but whatever.

I don't really give a shit, because they still apply.

Saying you support liberty, but you really just support oppression at the state level... isn't supporting liberty at all. It sure as shit isn't libertarian.

[Felya]

I know I'm just gonna get back another "but that's State Rights" or "But that's slavery" or "But that's oppression," but whatever.

It’s anti-federalist... that’s all... it has nothing to do with libertarian.

Edit: In Feudalism, the crown let dukes and equivalent deal with local state laws. In no way was supporting the Duke, a libertarian stance. Your still a serf...

[Machismo]

That was when you wanted societies to come together to pay for their “privatized” roads and such... clearly your beliefs are, well, not clear. Even in your own mind. Care to stop moving goalposts now and get back to how you want to privatize infrastructure which would harm individuals while claiming you want freedom so long as no harm to others?

Well, let me know when you finally decide if I'm a socialist, a libertarian, or an anarchist.

[JohnBrown1917]

You're projecting. Just like how you claim to be a libertarian when you're actually an anarchist.

Machismo is way too much in support of the freedom of corporations and privatizing everything(a.k.a far right capitalism) to be anything close to Anarchist. Libertarian-ism/Anarcho-capitalism is like the polar opposite.

[Shadowferal]

I know it's icky to think a less centralized government is a libertarian direction for things, but you'll have to supersede that impulse if you want to have any understanding of libertarians.

There isn't any understanding of libertarianism as a whole. How one defines it will always be different from others.
And when the ideal is on full display and fails spectacularly there's always the denial. (Firme fed chair Alan Greenspan had to be grilled into sweat before admitting his libertarian ideals of the invisible hand of the market helped the US fall into a recession.)