Russia threatening to invade Ukraine 2.0

[Edge-]

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...ne-2021-04-22/

Looks like Russia is pulling back? This is...good? I haven't followed too closely, but this seems good.

[YUPPIE]

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...ne-2021-04-22/

Looks like Russia is pulling back? This is...good? I haven't followed too closely, but this seems good.

there MUST be consequences for this kind of bullshit, regardless. You shouldn't be able to pull off this brazen act of intimidation, put everyone at unease, then back off unscathed.

[Mihalik]

there MUST be consequences for this kind of bullshit, regardless. You shouldn't be able to pull off this brazen act of intimidation, put everyone at unease, then back off unscathed.

There are consequences. For the time being, Russia pulling back is enough.

[Felya]

there MUST be consequences for this kind of bullshit, regardless. You shouldn't be able to pull off this brazen act of intimidation, put everyone at unease, then back off unscathed.

Maginsky act and recent Biden sanctions are still in effect... they are not unscathed... they are scared of the economic repercussions.

[YUPPIE]

Maginsky act and recent Biden sanctions are still in effect... they are not unscathed... they are scared of the economic repercussions.

so they're scared of sanctions and do something that will invite even more sanctions?

[Felya]

There are consequences. For the time being, Russia pulling back is enough.

Because war mongers see conflict in terms of fire power... they think this sort of nonsense:

anything short of calling for the mass murder of Russians by US Troops is considered being someone on Putin's pay roll it seems.

When in reality, no one wants troops in Ukraine... A someone who has been unjustly called out for bias in favor of Ukraine, let me make this abundantly clear... no one wants troops in Ukraine... not Russian troop, not American troops... sanctions are enough.

We know for a fact that Putin and Russian oligarchs absolutely abhor Maginsky act, to the point they tried to persuade Trump jr. Why do we need another solution... one as drastic as troops... when we know that Maginsky act works... we need more of that... cut off the oligarchs from funding in the west... anyone want to defend Russian oligarchs in this solution? Perhaps claim cutting off oligarchs hurts the common Russian? What possible problem can one have with sanctions against Russian oligarchs, as an effective solution?

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so they're scared of sanctions and do something that will invite even more sanctions?

They do something, because they think Americans are going to make a reactionary mistake. Within 24 hours, Biden admin not making a public stink over Putin speech, made clear that reactionary bullshit is no longer the American way. Sanctions are in place and this bullshit will not make Biden question Maginsky act, as Trump did... it will not soften sanctions, as Trump did... it will not cause Biden to demand Russia in G7... it will not make Biden do an impersonation of Meek, next to Putin...

This was a test... I think current admin passed...

[Yadryonych]

Within 24 hours, Biden admin not making a public stink over Putin speech

That's probably because Joe was sleeping and the cabinet didnt want to bother the elderly man.

it will not soften sanctions, as Trump did...

When did trump soften the sanctions or Magicsky act though?

[postman1782]

That's probably because Joe was sleeping and the cabinet didnt want to bother the elderly man.



When did trump soften the sanctions or Magicsky act though?

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/...ctions-1108939
Trump tried to, but the House overruled him.

[Felya]

That's probably because Joe was sleeping and the cabinet didnt want to bother the elderly man.

Which makes Putin even more a pussy... he backed off, because Joe was sleeping... imagine Putin running away with his tail between his legs, if Biden was awake. Pathetic... leadership that can’t even outplay a sleeping elderly man...

When did trump soften the sanctions or Magicsky act though?

He failed... The fact that ya’ll had a meeting about Russia’s response to Magicsky act, in discussing the adoption plan... then being shut down by congress... kinda shows the length Russia would go...

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https://www.politico.com/story/2019/...ctions-1108939
Trump tried to, but the House overruled him.

He also delayed sanctions in 2018:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN1HN20O

Then this:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN1KA15Z

Putin and advocates for the Kremlin’s position had had no success with the campaign - until Trump became president. The Magnitsky Act of 2012 is the backdrop of Putin’s proposal to Trump at the Helsinki meeting earlier this week that the United States give Russian officials access to former U.S. ambassador to Russia Michael McFaul, in exchange for allowing the FBI to question 12 Russian agents recently indicted for interfering with the 2016 U.S. presidential election.

... and as I pointed out, Trump jr secret meeting about adoption, just happens to be:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnit...ssian_children

In response to the adoption of the Magnitsky Act, the Russian government denied Americans adoption of Russian children, issued a list of US officials prohibited from entering Russia, and posthumously convicted Magnitsky as guilty.

[postman1782]

Which makes Putin even more a pussy... he backed off, because Joe was sleeping... imagine Putin running away with his tail between his legs, if Biden was awake. Pathetic... leadership that can’t even outplay a sleeping elderly man...



He failed... The fact that ya’ll had a meeting about Russia’s response to Magicsky act, in discussing the adoption plan... then being shut down by congress... kinda shows the length Russia would go...

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He also delayed sanctions in 2018:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN1HN20O

Then this:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN1KA15Z


... and as I pointed out, Trump jr secret meeting about adoption, just happens to be:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnit...ssian_children

Yep, and the whole thing that Michael Flynn got pinched for, telling the Russians not to retaliate with sanctions, because as soon as Trump was inaugurated, he was going to remove them. All seems like another collusion angle with Trump and his campaign.

[Felya]

Yep, and the whole thing that Michael Flynn got pinched for, telling the Russians not to retaliate with sanctions, because as soon as Trump was inaugurated, he was going to remove them. All seems like another collusion angle with Trump and his campaign.

What he said exposes the very reason they wanted Trump, instead of a Hillary... Joe is a sleeping elderly man... Hillary was a bitch... That no fly zone Putin got credit for, early in Trump’s term? Hillary said she would do it months earlier, during the debates, so US would have gotten the acclaim.

They ran from sleepy Joe... they would have trampled each other, while running away, if bitch Hillary was in charge of sanctions...

[Easo]

How do you propose Russians should fight American imperialism in any other way?

Nice deflection+whataboutism, again. You never change. For the last time - others wanting to join someone other than Russia is not imperialism. No wonder the world is still shit if that is so hard to understand. Populism keeps working, I guess.

[Shalcker]

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...ne-2021-04-22/

Looks like Russia is pulling back? This is...good? I haven't followed too closely, but this seems good.

As long as Ukraine didn't attack nothing was ever going to happen.

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there MUST be consequences for this kind of bullshit, regardless. You shouldn't be able to pull off this brazen act of intimidation, put everyone at unease, then back off unscathed.

Yes, got so sanction NATO for all their acts of brazen intimidation by doing various border exercises.

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We know for a fact that Putin and Russian oligarchs absolutely abhor Maginsky act, to the point they tried to persuade Trump jr. Why do we need another solution... one as drastic as troops... when we know that Maginsky act works... we need more of that... cut off the oligarchs from funding in the west... anyone want to defend Russian oligarchs in this solution? Perhaps claim cutting off oligarchs hurts the common Russian? What possible problem can one have with sanctions against Russian oligarchs, as an effective solution?

I'm all for it! The only way to get oligarchs to think about Russia is to lock their fortunes inside with no possibility of escape to West.

...the problem is, that isn't going to advance Western agenda of Putin's removal one bit - it'll only consolidate his power further as he'll be their only potential defender.

[Xarkan]

there MUST be consequences for this kind of bullshit, regardless. You shouldn't be able to pull off this brazen act of intimidation, put everyone at unease, then back off unscathed.

Nuclear powers are immune to consequences

[Shalcker]

Nice deflection+whataboutism, again. You never change. For the last time - others wanting to join someone other than Russia is not imperialism.

Clearly you seen it differently when it was Yanukovich deciding to join Russia instead of EU.

[Easo]

Clearly you seen it differently when it was Yanukovich deciding to join Russia instead of EU.

When he single handedly decided to do that and spit on everything agreed before? Yeah, it was different. I bet you think that he is still the legitimate president of Ukraine.

[Shalcker]

When he single handedly decided to do that and spit on everything agreed before? Yeah, it was different. I bet you think that he is still the legitimate president of Ukraine.

Double-standards as usual.

The point of elected president is to single-handedly decide things within his area. Of which inter-state agreements are part.

Until agreement is signed it is perfectly okay to decline everything it entails.

[Kellhound]

Double-standards as usual.

The point of elected president is to single-handedly decide things within his area. Of which inter-state agreements are part.

Until agreement is signed it is perfectly okay to decline everything it entails.

That is the point of a dictator...

[Shalcker]

That is the point of a dictator...

Ukraine is semi-presidential republic, and Yanukovich's cabinet agreed with his decision.

At no point was Yanukovich anywhere near dictatorial powers.

Elections were going to happen just a year later.

[postman1782]

Ukraine is semi-presidential republic, and Yanukovich's cabinet agreed with his decision.

At no point was Yanukovich anywhere near dictatorial powers.

Elections were going to happen just a year later.

Yanukovich was literally robbing his country blind, there was a reason that Russian soldiers came in to save him when the country rose up against him.