I know too many that have to drive either too far, or spend too long in traffic every day for work. Hell, I used to be one of them. I won't dismiss or belittle the argument especially since they all hate the price at the gas pump.
I know too many that have to drive either too far, or spend too long in traffic every day for work. Hell, I used to be one of them. I won't dismiss or belittle the argument especially since they all hate the price at the gas pump.
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People are massively overblowing the range issues. Range is fine. The issue is with charging. That's a real issue. You might be driving to places and parking in places that simply aren't equipped to charge an EV, and charging still takes substantially longer than a pit stop at a gas station.
We're still a long way from being able to reliably charge an EV anywhere or in limited locations fast enough.
I'll belittle it in the same way that I belittle the way Los Angeles is pieced together. Doing this is a stupid, borderline life-ruining decision. There is pretty much no imaginable employment or housing situation that makes sitting in traffic for 3+ hours every day a better decision than moving to a place that isn't a complete hellhole and scrapping that lifestyle. I acknowledge that if someone decides to live in Santa Monica and work in Duerte, they're going to have a godawful commute, but this isn't actually something that they have to do.
Drive to work, plug in the car, drive home on a freshly charged battery. People will have to readjust the way they think about energy, but it's not a big deal in a future where potentially every parking space has a plug built into the ground.
Personally, I'm seriously giving the bycicle a thought these days. It's faster than a car (given morning traffic and me knowing the backroutes by bike), it's healthier and way cheaper. I can absolutely see me using the car for groceries and larger trips alone. If I'm not using the incredibly dense public transport network in Europe.
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That makes sense. It has been the biggest hurdle, and remains to be so. If we reaaally want to push electric, every gas station across the nation will need to have charging stations as well.
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I don't think that is a far off future. At least for the 300 miles for around 24k.
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Infrastructure... if we have a swell of charging stations at government offices, private parking lots will realize that at a minimal investment of a charging station, they can perpetually charge people for plugging in, while they are parked. They get gas station action, without the gas station overhead.
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"Perpetually" = until the car is charged. There are some questions that I need answering before I fully sign up to the concept. If EV becomes more expensive than fossil fuel, this can't work for low/middle income families. Also, the energy consumption itself isn't going to change dramatically. We still need X amount of energy to move X tons from A to B. Are EV more or less efficient than combustion engines? Can the power grids handle the extra load? I heard California has power grid problems during the summer with all the a/c units jumping into action, what if the whole of california has their car hooked up to the grid as well?
These things need addressing, but we're not in a bad spot. This is a good starting point for us, it's decades too late, but I think the auto industry has reached the inertia necessary to make the switch now. It moves at glacial speed, but I think this move is already irreversible and a done deal.
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Cant we just line the highway with some tesla coils and charge EVs wirelessly with high frequency electricity?
I just want to note that this argument is basically just the sunk cost fallacy.
"Oh, we can't invest into electric vehicle infrastructure to make such vehicles convenient and easy to use, we've already invested so much into internal combustion engine vehicular support infrastructure."
There's a whopping amount of infrastructure that's gone into building gas stations and such that gets overlooked on the regular, in these discussions. And no, I don't think distinguishing between privately-funded infrastructure and publicly-funded is appropriate, here, particularly since we'd have to untangle government tax breaks and investments in the oil industry to even begin to start.
No, just charge extra to park in spots that have a charger. Everyone who parks in that spot will pay more, regardless if they use the energy. Do it at a sport stadium and people will park fuel guzzlers and pay the extra fee.
By perpetually, I meant as long as the charger is there, not a single car.
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Just in practical terms, it's also way easier. No complaints about whether their system registered your full charge, just charge people an extra $X/hour for charging. Or pre-pay for a certain duration of charging and then the charging automatically turns off; you could even manage that kind of thing curbside, in theory.
oh the horror of not raising/adjusting the tax after 20+ years, what could possibly go wrong.
I mean its not like that fund is basically bankrupt or anything.
Its not like Social Security will be cut to 74% of expected benefits because they stopped increasing taxes and adjusting for cost in the early 90's.
Or how now more money has to come from the general tax fund to pay for Medicare then the actual Medicare employment taxes cause....again....no adjustments since the 1990s
Forget solar you'll be lucky to have functional roads in a decade
Buh Byeeeeeeeeeeee !!
Just reading this has my nearly pitching a frothy mouthed fit. They said that we had to pay more for gas to keep the roads repaired and maintained...and they're not getting the job done. Fuckers are in a conspiracy with auto repair shops!!! *shakes fist...and a shotgun*