What's Happening in UK? Elections!

[DingDongKing]

Obviously.

I know. Just had to throw that out there for any conservatives who think it's a tribal thing. It's not.

[Iliena]

It's no simple thing for Scotland to leave the UK and keep the standard of living they currently have, far to much of Scotland's infrastructure is controlled and subsidised via Westminster. Now if they are aware of all the facts and possible problems it could cause but still want to leave, fine by me tbh.

It reminds me of the recent talk from Texas on some levels wanting to secede, and how politicians use it as a tool to stir up support.

[DingDongKing]

It's no simple thing for Scotland to leave the UK and keep the standard of living they currently have, far to much of Scotland's infrastructure is controlled and subsidised via Westminster. Now if they are aware of all the facts and possible problems it could cause but still want to leave, fine by me tbh.

It reminds me of the recent talk from Texas on some levels wanting to secede, and how politicians use it as a tool to stir up support.

Texas wanting to secede is absolutely not the same as a Scottish referendum. Scotland is its own country within the UK.

However, it's not given its dues as a country, and not treated with respect. Which is why it wants independence. And rightly so.

[JohnBrown1917]

Pro EU doesnt mean that they will simply accept Scotlands entry. Or have you forgotten Jan Kees de Jagers fuckup? The Dutch are far more critical now to spending.

And it also says nothing about denying Scotland, so your just talking out of your ass.

[Mayhem]

I know. Just had to throw that out there for any conservatives who think it's a tribal thing. It's not.

The problem with conservatives is, they are in the destroying business, and destroying shit is always easier than building stuff. They'll always have an easier time after being in power because they can immediately point to something they have done, praise it as something great, and blame it on someone else when the consequences come to light. The socialists have to build stuff first and then stay in power long enough to show how great the things they built actually are because they have to defend it constantly against conservatives for as long as it doesn't produce the promised outcome. And on top of that people also absolutely forget that almost everything they have is thanks to socialist policies, which is tiresome at times but ah well, it is what it is.

[Slant]

I'm not a leftist, I'm not a centrist, I'm not a rightist. I'm a take-care-of-the-country-and-all-of-its-people-and-heritage-and-make-it-prosper-ist.

We call those nationalists...

runs away

[Iliena]

Texas wanting to secede is absolutely not the same as a Scottish referendum. Scotland is its own country within the UK.

Wouldn't Texas be its own country if it did? You are splitting hairs.

[Acidbaron]

The problem with conservatives is, they are in the destroying business, and destroying shit is always easier than building stuff. They'll always have an easier time after being in power because they can immediately point to something they have done, praise it as something great, and blame it on someone else when the consequences come to light. The socialists have to build stuff first and then stay in power long enough to show how great the things they built actually are because they have to defend it constantly against conservatives for as long as it doesn't produce the promised outcome. And on top of that people also absolutely forget that almost everything they have is thanks to socialist policies, which is tiresome at times but ah well, it is what it is.

I think you are being rather general here with the term conservative, unless we are speaking specifically about those who have rooted themselves into the UK soil.

The political ideology is all nice and dandy but there's not one that is pure good or evil, one that has great foresight and one that is a terrible gambler.

Socialists especially on the EU mainland are struggling because of the troublesome legacy they left behind, so much so that newer progressive parties have taken over that key role but they also lack a connection to their roots, that being the low schooled hard worker.

Conservatives in general have done themselves a big disservice in letting the climate change topic and environmental control been taken over by the left, luckily that's not always the case (in my region for example, the right has more sensible preservation ideas than the "greens" do and actually act on them).

Anyway my point being, don't go lumping either left or right in one big pile, we aren't ants, we aren't even ants on the level of a single region. And to round up, i want to point out that often the best governments were a family of left and right winged parties that compromised.

[Iliena]

His point is that Scotland is already a country. Texas isn't. The situations aren't really comparable.

How politicians use such arguments for political gain could be considered similar.

[Mayhem]

I think you are being rather general here with the term conservative, unless we are speaking specifically about those who have rooted themselves into the UK soil.

The political ideology is all nice and dandy but there's not one that is pure good or evil, one that has great foresight and one that is a terrible gambler.

Socialists especially on the EU mainland are struggling because of the troublesome legacy they left behind, so much so that newer progressive parties have taken over that key role but they also lack a connection to their roots, that being the low schooled hard worker.

Conservatives in general have done themselves a big disservice in letting the climate change topic and environmental control been taken over by the left, luckily that's not always the case (in my region for example, the right has more sensible preservation ideas than the "greens" do and actually act on them).

Anyway my point being, don't go lumping either left or right in one big pile, we aren't ants, we aren't even ants on the level of a single region. And to round up, i want to point out that often the best governments were a family of left and right winged parties that compromised.

Well, I was talking in general, there are outliers everywhere but they are outliers. You yourself acknowledge that by the choice of your words.

Sure, there might be left-leaning conservatives and further right-leaning conservatives, but as I said, everything that helped the general population is based on socialist policies. They might be implemented by conservatives at times, but they remain socialist policies.

[DKjaigen]

And it also says nothing about denying Scotland, so your just talking out of your ass.

Of course not. It would be a political and diplomatic clusterfuck if that happend. Never take anything at face value and look at the interrests of the dutch.

[Slant]

Wouldn't Texas be its own country if it did? You are splitting hairs.

Scotland IS its own country. Go to Scotland and say "It's pretty nice here in England!"

See what they have to say about that.

[DKjaigen]

Yeah, we're the worst. We constantly produce evidence and talk about people of all places should have equal rights, be respected, and lead a happy peaceful life.

We're viciously evil.

And you are. The unreflecting self righteousness you so extoll is always the prelude to some of the worst calamities that have befallen humanity as a whole.

[Slant]

And you are. The unreflecting self righteousness you so extoll is always the prelude to some of the worst calamities that have befallen humanity as a whole.

You mean suffering people like you?

People that unironically scold someone to try and promote these values:

Equality
Respect
Happiness
Peace

You're scolding someone for trying to achieve these things for all people? FOR FUCKING REAL?

You are actually, unironically, evil personified. Like if you came out and straight up said "Yo, call me Lucifer" I would not be surprised. Take a fucking step back, read what post you responded to and read your response. And then come back to us saying you meant everything you said.

Dayum...

[JohnBrown1917]

Of course not. It would be a political and diplomatic clusterfuck if that happend. Never take anything at face value and look at the interrests of the dutch.

I think I understand my own country a lot better, so are you actually going to post any sources backing your claim up or you just going to keep pulling shit out of your ass?

[Acidbaron]

Well, I was talking in general, there are outliers everywhere but they are outliers. You yourself acknowledge that by the choice of your words.

Sure, there might be left-leaning conservatives and further right-leaning conservatives, but as I said, everything that helped the general population is based on socialist policies. They might be implemented by conservatives at times, but they remain socialist policies.

I was not really speaking of outliers here though, you are using two very broad terms here Socialist or to simply say progressive and conservative. I forgot where you are from but those two can belong to a long list of several different movements inside those ideologies and then it even divides further because you'll never fully agree with every point of that political family you identify the -most- with.

Sorry to say but i do read a heavy bias in favour of socialism, so heavy that i question your ability to distance yourself enough to look critically at it. I don't identify either movement with something as either "good" or "bad". That depends on the idea and even further on the execution of said idea.

[sirmixalot]

this is beyond sad now

[Crispin]

Snip.

Oh surprise you’re back with more falsehoods. You need to get laid or get high. Stop being so pathetic.

[Mayhem]

I was not really speaking of outliers here though, you are using two very broad terms here Socialist or to simply say progressive and conservative. I forgot where you are from but those two can belong to a long list of several different movements inside those ideologies and then it even divides further because you'll never fully agree with every point of that political family you identify the -most- with.

Sorry to say but i do read a heavy bias in favour of socialism, so heavy that i question your ability to distance yourself enough to look critically at it. I don't identify either movement with something as either "good" or "bad". That depends on the idea and even further on the execution of said idea.

I've told you what I promote, so, if elements within the party I support go against that, I will call them out just as well. Conservatives of all flavors are usually in it for themselves or people like them.

[Acidbaron]

I've told you what I promote, so, if elements within the party I support go against that, I will call them out just as well. Conservatives of all flavors are usually in it for themselves or people like them.

Yes, we conservatives are not humans clearly. We are a different species because only others vote against party lines. Yes i am mocking you if you truly believe that.

You are simply biased, either through limited experiences or the media. What you see in your own party you will see elsewhere. To me it really comes across like you need to demonize "the other side".

If i mirrored your attitude, i would say that from my experience and my media reporting. The socialist been in it for themselves as their parties have been rampant with corruption, which includes not just nepotism but also self enrichment at the cost of others. It is even so that because of that and their big disconnect with the working class, the class they aided and thus in return made them big is completely lost to them. What shows as in Europe their numbers have been dwindling and their elections are pretty bleak.

In any case you have your mind set on believing something, what is a shame because you block yourself off and contribute to part of the political division, what is a big problem.