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  1. #461
    Quote Originally Posted by rrayy View Post
    Those are all cosmetics. There is nothing pay 2 win about it. You still have to level to max even with a boost.You still have to gear up to get into the most difficult content. You can get 100's of mounts in the game. Ditto for pets. The "pay 2 win" argument" is devoid of all reality by special snowflkes who want to feel superior because they have no lives and play 20 hours day making them the only ones who should benefit.
    How is buying gold cosmetic?
    >Be a whale
    >Spend thousands on lvl boost and tokens
    >use money from tokens to buy carries through content
    >Acquire best gear in the game through getting carried

    Is this clear enough?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prag View Post
    Trying to claim he’s wrong by using a slippery slope argument that literally proves him right... lol

    Yeah, selling gear would be p2w. They haven’t done it in the 12 years it existed. They won’t do it because it literally destroys their metrics (MAUs) when someone can just buy gear instead of spending hundreds of hours farming it.
    But they can. What stops whales from buying tokens with money and use the gold to buy gear through carries? Which is exactly what is happening in retail. The fucking trade chat nowdays is literally NOTHING but carry/boost spam which reflects the demand for it.

  2. #462
    Quote Originally Posted by Tsarez View Post
    Too OP for what I wonder? In a few hours BC is launching. The first few items you gain straight out of the portal will replace most of T2/T3 gear or something like that.
    Just on the premise that boosted characters will get better gear than those who slogged their way to 60 “the normal way” and they had to grind for gear.

    And the way I remember it, T3 was replaced when they did T4 (even then they had to hotfix items from karazhan due to T3 still being better by leaps and bounds) T2 replaced with HC gear and T1 replaced with 68-70 questing gear

  3. #463
    Quote Originally Posted by Delever View Post
    What an incredible analogy.
    Actually it is. Whats the argument against store mounts and boosts? Care to explain how its not comparable to buying a bunch of useless crap, usually overpriced?

  4. #464
    Quote Originally Posted by Tsarez View Post
    Nobody is talking about the right to anything. And the requirements for dungeons are visible, for Strat its being level 58-60
    So you can't link me where Blizzard states how Classic is "supposed to be played". I didn't expect any different.
    Requirements does not equal "right to be invited". Only entitled people would demand and feel entitled to be invited to other people's groups and/or try to control how other people play together.

    Let me link you the only place where Blizzard mentions player created groups:

    " Voted out of group before I could finish quest
    Removed to make space for guild member
    Kicked from a Mythic+ group before receiving loot

    Note: Groups formed outside of the queue system (Guild Runs, Mythic +, etc.) will not utilize the vote-kick system. Instead those groups will have one party leader that controls who gets invited or removed."

    https://eu.battle.net/support/en/article/52363

    You can't find anywhere where Blizzard states anything whatsoever about that you have a right to be invited to other people's groups.
    You can't find anywhere where Blizzard states anything whatsoever about how you should make groups and how you shouldn't make groups.
    Blizzard has since day 1 given 100% free reins to the players on how they make their own groups.
    But since day 1 entitled and toxic players have tried to guilt-shame other players to invite them to their groups.

  5. #465
    Quote Originally Posted by Delever View Post
    How is buying gold cosmetic?
    >Be a whale
    >Spend thousands on lvl boost and tokens
    >use money from tokens to buy carries through content
    >Acquire best gear in the game through getting carried

    Is this clear enough?
    A whale? You mean more like a semi-millionaire? Do you have any clue how expensive it would be to buy mythic carry(s) until you're equipped, using gold bought through tokens? You might as well just straight out buy a full battle.net account with mythic gear if you have that much money to spare.

    On classic tokens don't even exist, so you gotta grind for that gold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T-34 View Post
    So you can't link me where Blizzard states how Classic is "supposed to be played". I didn't expect any different.
    Requirements does not equal "right to be invited". Only entitled people would demand and feel entitled to be invited to other people's groups and/or try to control how other people play together.

    Let me link you the only place where Blizzard mentions player created groups:

    " Voted out of group before I could finish quest
    Removed to make space for guild member
    Kicked from a Mythic+ group before receiving loot

    Note: Groups formed outside of the queue system (Guild Runs, Mythic +, etc.) will not utilize the vote-kick system. Instead those groups will have one party leader that controls who gets invited or removed."

    https://eu.battle.net/support/en/article/52363

    You can't find anywhere where Blizzard states anything whatsoever about that you have a right to be invited to other people's groups.
    You can't find anywhere where Blizzard states anything whatsoever about how you should make groups and how you shouldn't make groups.
    Blizzard has since day 1 given 100% free reins to the players on how they make their own groups.
    But since day 1 entitled and toxic players have tried to guilt-shame other players to invite them to their groups.
    Nobody is asking for any rights. Stop being so damn toxic.

    Only entitled people would demand and feel entitled to be invited to other people's groups and/or try to control how other people play together.
    The irony of saying that doesn't hurt you?

  6. #466
    Quote Originally Posted by ClassicPeon View Post
    Isnt the crafted sets in at p1? In that case shadoweave/mmoncloth/whatever they where called shoulders are probably a lot better.

    i know for my hunter there is basicly nothing from classic thats better.

    But there are some individual pieces ye
    Yes crafted sets are much better. Most dungeon gear isn't though. It's either marginally better, kinda the same or a little bit worse. This is looking at pieces individually, when you factor pre-existing enchants(that most people won't bother to reenchant, like head, gloves, weapon, shoulder and legs) and set bonuses from t3, you will see a lot of people raiding t4 with their BiS items from classic.

    Also, I would advise more casual players not to expect crafting those tailoring sets any time soon. You are dealing with gold inflation and a lot of competition for farming spots.

    I wouldn't be surprised to see primal mights going for 1k gold the first few weeks and some crafted items need like 5 of those
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  7. #467
    Quote Originally Posted by un_known View Post
    Just on the premise that boosted characters will get better gear than those who slogged their way to 60 “the normal way” and they had to grind for gear.

    And the way I remember it, T3 was replaced when they did T4 (even then they had to hotfix items from karazhan due to T3 still being better by leaps and bounds) T2 replaced with HC gear and T1 replaced with 68-70 questing gear
    My point was that even with marginally better gear from the boost, you'd still be replacing it instantly seeing as even raiding gear won't last long into the expansion. At least this would have made the point moot that people don't want to play with booster chars because their gear is bad. As if the gear from leveling is superior or something.

  8. #468
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pregnant Orc View Post
    Original Store mount community reaction

    Nothing new under the sun. Store mounts have been frowned on since their first incarnation. Now one is being brought out ahead of time just to milk some cash.

    Never having to buy ground mounts again on any alt is a pretty minor "P2W" with quotation marks as it's a convenience rather than actual win but still.
    Man I'd forgot about that. Then they brought out the mount collection.

  9. #469
    Quote Originally Posted by keelr View Post
    How is it not harrassment?
    lets try this version:
    "Some guy telling you homofobic stuff once isn't harassment. A bunch of guys telling you homofobic stuff you once also isn't harassment unless they coordinated to all do that simultaneously and didn't do it of their own volition."

    ??
    Yes. Harassment is harassment. Harassment is prolonged and near inescapable in a real world setting, such as bullying. A kid goes to school daily and gets bullied there and has barely any way to avoid it.

    Some guy emote spitting on you once or several people emote spitting on you once isn't harassment.

  10. #470
    [QUOTE=Delever;53209205]How is buying gold cosmetic?
    >Be a whale
    >Spend thousands on lvl boost and tokens
    >use money from tokens to buy carries through content
    >Acquire best gear in the game through getting carried[/quote}So? That affects you how? Oh right, that goes back to the special snowflake thought. The only ones who think it it P2W are those who want to strut around Org/SW like special snowflakes and have their e-peen stroked so they can have a feeling of superiority. Nothing is p2w at all.


    But they can. What stops whales from buying tokens with money and use the gold to buy gear through carries? Which is exactly what is happening in retail. The fucking trade chat nowdays is literally NOTHING but carry/boost spam which reflects the demand for it.
    Again so what? It doesn't affect your playing of the game in any way other than your ability to lord your superiority over others which is a you problem, not a game one. People need to stop acting like being superior to everyone else in the game is the sole purpose of playing it. It is just a game, not real life.

  11. #471
    At the end of the day, this is all just another problem Blizzard has created, for $$$

  12. #472
    Quote Originally Posted by Delever View Post
    But they can. What stops whales from buying tokens with money and use the gold to buy gear through carries? Which is exactly what is happening in retail. The fucking trade chat nowdays is literally NOTHING but carry/boost spam which reflects the demand for it.
    I don’t know why people think gear is winning in this game. A bad player without gear is still a bad player with gear. See all the people with newly acquired R14 weapons getting dunked on by better players?

    Competition in this game is always about content and skill.

  13. #473
    Quote Originally Posted by greysaber View Post
    What's with the 'Andy' thing.

    Is this a zoomer thing, like Chad and Stacy?
    Asmongold/Twitch thing, I think.

    Like calling people "Classic Andy," "Boosted Andy," "Weeb Andy,"

    Take thing with negative connotation/add negative connotation and then tack "Andy" at the and of it. I don't really get it either.

  14. #474
    Quote Originally Posted by tikcol View Post
    They're not protecting their IP very well right now, I just saw an ad on youtube for a private server

    Lmao
    They are protecting it fine. That private server will be taken down soon, just as all the rest eventually were.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Delever View Post
    What? What are you smoking? People have been saying this for years and it has only been getting worse. Started from helmets, went to pets, to mounts, to boosts and now even to legit buying gold. The last thing remaining is buying gear directly which is effectively achievable through buying gold anyway. And the fact that this is starting to creep into classic is the epitome of clown fiesta.
    Buying gold has always been in the game and regardless of it being legal, people have done it. A fella I used to know bought like 100K in TBC so he could buy boosts for everything from the War Bear to BT clears. The fact that buying it direct cannot get you banned just brought people into the light with it.

  16. #476
    Quote Originally Posted by Pregnant Orc View Post
    Original Store mount community reaction

    Nothing new under the sun. Store mounts have been frowned on since their first incarnation. Now one is being brought out ahead of time just to milk some cash.

    Never having to buy ground mounts again on any alt is a pretty minor "P2W" with quotation marks as it's a convenience rather than actual win but still.
    Lol

    I was playing wow actively during the spectral's steed release. Wasn't watching youtubers back then and was only using youtube for some musicvideos.

    I bought the spectral steed on release and I remember the whole Daralan populated by them. Like 3 other people from my guild back then got it as well, rest either didn't care or disliked the looks of it. Hadn't seen anyone shaming or attacking people for it.

    Please stop presenting Youtube videos as "community reaction". It's a reaction of that specific creator and his followers. Totalbiscuit was a great content creator but his early years aged pretty badly. Glad he changed his mind on many topics as time passed by.
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  17. #477
    Quote Originally Posted by Clozer View Post
    I know that you are only here to argue for the sake of arguing - not to discuss the actual matter, but if you had any technical knowledge you could look the token thing up yourself. The buy token page is there and running, just hidden and you can not make any purchases yet.

    Here is an article about it: https://www.icy-veins.com/forums/top...d-not-enabled/
    YOu might actually want to read the post:

    but some argue this is most likely just due to the fact that the Chinese version of Classic already has a WoW Token, so the equivalent page was made by default (or by mistake) for NA and EU as well.
    So, you really have no evidence at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hauzhi View Post
    Many people against boosts, store mounts and similar stuff complain but then proceed to go out and spend money on useless crap on their daily lifes and no one is spiting on them.

    Its just a generation of spoiled kids with no life.


    I don't blame anyone for taking advantage of the boost if they can justify that ridiculous price to themselves. Totally their choice. The leveling experience is tedious as fuck. It helps new players I guess. You will know your abilities like second nature after you've killed 1000's of mobs leveling up. Anyone who has played for years doesn't need that kind of grind.

    Anyhoo I'm not seeing this spitting / harassment thing on EU servers either. Atleast on Pyrewood EU. Is it mainly a U.S thing?

    EDIT: Or maybe a PvP server thing. Yea I can imagine the idiots that play on those servers acting like dumb little jealous kids.
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  19. #479
    Quote Originally Posted by rrayy View Post
    This is an ignorant generalization because many players who use the boost will be players who played back in the day. Good players do use boosts you know, right? It's also just as childish.
    Cry more. You can decide to boost for any reason, and I can decide not to play with boosters for any reason.

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