Is WoW Pay 2 Win?

[epigramx]

Changing the langue to binary would of course create a different result. Lol.

You laugh but you don't get at all what is going on here. That binary framework is a minority framework that most people never realize it even exists.

We are talking about a concept that children invented less that a dozen years ago; of course it will have 2ndary definitions of its framework.

[rhorle]

In capitalism: when you buy something: you give that money to someone that gives that something; in this case 100% of it goes to Blizzard devs i.e. to a middle man i.e. to the tax man.

Why wouldn't Blizzard get the money when they are the one selling the token for gold? That just indicates the token is not pay to win because you never pay for the actual win. It takes place with a secondary transaction strictly for gold.

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You laugh but you don't get at all what is going on here. That binary framework is a minority framework that most people never realize it even exists. We are talking about a concept that children invented less that a dozen years ago; of course it will have 2ndary definitions of its framework.

People not knowing what programming language is does not change that it is a different language so results can be different when compared with another language.

[epigramx]

Why wouldn't Blizzard get the money when they are the one selling the token for gold? That just indicates the token is not pay to win because you never pay for the actual win. It takes place with a secondary transaction strictly for gold.

I don't question why they do it. Their only purpose is the generation of wealth; they are not a charity organization; economics 101.

As for the rest: I find it an irrelevant mental exercise; it doesn't matter; sports should never allow bribing to be a benefit.

[Relapses]

I don't question why they do it. Their only purpose is the generation of wealth; they are not a charity organization; economics 101.

As for the rest: I find it an irrelevant mental exercise; it doesn't matter; sports should never allow bribing to be a benefit.

Dismissing the absurd implication that WoW is a sport, how would you recommend Blizzard tackle the issue of real world capital being used for advantages in game? Removing the token would only make boosting for RMT more lucrative since players would be forced to use these services.

[rhorle]

As for the rest: I find it an irrelevant mental exercise; it doesn't matter; sports should never allow bribing to be a benefit.

WoW is not a sport nor do you bribe anyone.

[epigramx]

Dismissing the absurd implication that WoW is a sport

Yes it is a sport. Or it should be. Games that allow bribing are terrible games and if you want to play those games then you like to play terrible games.

[rhorle]

Yes it is a sport. Or it should be..

Schrodinger's sport? It is both a sport and not a sport at the same time.

[Darkeon]

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Knowing that -i- beat the challenge? The accomplishment itself? Who cares if others see a random achievement on my tab, all that is going away when the servers go down. Yay for them?

You were the one dissin' the poster that they hadn't won anything.

For all I know you bought it and they are trolling when they say they bought it.

Your achievement looks like exactly like theirs. If you "won", so have they.

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Schrodinger's sport? It is both a sport and not a sport at the same time.

All depends on the expectators! lol

[Lavey]

Here's a theory coming out of left field. All games are pay to win, the currency just differs.

[Relapses]

Here's a theory coming out of left field. All games are pay to win, the currency just differs.

Not really a left-field theory when it's the exact thing most of us have been discussing. Personally, I feel like this reductive justification muddies the definition of P2W so much that it's barely worth using. But to each their own I guess.

[Lavey]

Not really a left-field theory when it's the exact thing most of us have been discussing. Personally, I feel like this reductive justification muddies the definition of P2W so much that it's barely worth using. But to each their own I guess.

Yup the beauty that life is 100% transactional. I thought about having my personal assistant just do the daily chores of wow, as a part of their daily responsibilities, but wonder if that breaks the rules. Always thought it would make the game more enjoyable for myself.

[Relapses]

Yup the beauty that life is 100% transactional. I thought about having my personal assistant just do the daily chores of wow, as a part of their daily responsibilities, but wonder if that breaks the rules. Always thought it would make the game more enjoyable for myself.

Well, that'd literally be account sharing so yes. But if they did it from an IP address you normally play the game from than nobody'd be the wiser.

[Lochton]

Yes it is a sport. Or it should be. Games that allow bribing are terrible games and if you want to play those games then you like to play terrible games.

But on this notion, almost all games in a way, permit bribing?

[Indigenously Abled]

This thread is the best thing MMO-C has produced in a long time. It's like the gift that keeps on giving - every few days, the thread comes full-circle, the same arguments and non-arguments are made, and the anti-WoW crowd and WoW white knights passive-aggressively torment one another, some new faces show up to drop hot takes, and the cycle begins anew.

[hulkgor]

You were the one dissin' the poster that they hadn't won anything.

For all I know you bought it and they are trolling when they say they bought it.

Your achievement looks like exactly like theirs. If you "won", so have they.

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The difference being that i'm not looking for validation, or bragging, or purchasing a badge that shows it to the world.

My goal was to clear the objective, i did, i move on.

Someone purchasing anything via boost doesn't bother me, i don't care even, but i just disagree that them doing so makes them 'win' the game, and by consequence, the game itself being P2W, which i disagree entirely. If they're happy with it, good for them!

But alas, this is mmo-c, so why bother.

Have a good one.

[Relapses]

This thread is the best thing MMO-C has produced in a long time. It's like the gift that keeps on giving - every few days, the thread comes full-circle, the same arguments and non-arguments are made, and the anti-WoW crowd and WoW white knights passive-aggressively torment one another, some new faces show up to drop hot takes, and the cycle begins anew.

Even better are the people who come in without a strong opinion one way or another and remind people how much more superior they are for having the ability to observe other people disagreeing with each other.

But who'd do such a thing?

[Elbob]

i lvled a fresh lvl 60 and already killed heroic sylvanas thanks to my wow token! not pay to win btw lol

But I leveled a 60 and killed mythic Sylvanas without a token. Does that mean you payed to be behind? What power can I buy with my hard eared $$$?

[Indigenously Abled]

Even better are the people who come in without a strong opinion one way or another and remind people how much more superior they are for having the ability to observe other people disagreeing with each other.

But who'd do such a thing?

If only you didn't dismiss otherwise valid criticism as cynicism, you might have more of a leg to stand on here. You're part of the cycle. Accept it.

[Relapses]

If only you didn't dismiss otherwise valid criticism as cynicism, you might have more of a leg to stand on here. You're part of the cycle. Accept it.

I'm sorry I don't treat intellectually sound takes like, "greedy Blizzard just wants to intentionally ruin their game by making it P2W" with the respect I'm sure you believe they deserve.

[Darkeon]

Someone purchasing anything via boost doesn't bother me, i don't care even, but i just disagree that them doing so makes them 'win' the game, and by consequence, the game itself being P2W, which i disagree entirely. If they're happy with it, good for them!

Did you seriously think you "won" by having a heroic kill, especially a purchased one? That's like asking a friend to beat Super Mario for you and then bragging to others for having completing it. You didn't win anything, i'd say.

One of your previous posts seems to directly contradict your claim of not being bothered, as you had to try to diminish the fact that they share the achievement on their account just like you do.

But alas, this is mmo-c. Have a good one~