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  1. #1761
    Quote Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide View Post
    Nah, they'll probably get a fat inheritance. Do they have inheritance tax in the US? That'd be amusing.

    All he's actually doing is defending his own money. Reading what he says and how hard he argues a single thing at a time into an illogical pretzel, it seems obvious he's defending these people because he'd also have to pay more tax if they did, and people with a lot of money don't like to part with it, even if it'd help others.

    Either that, or he's just thick as pig shit. /shrug

    I'm more curious how many circles all these "arguments" can do before this thread finally gets the lock it has deserved for so many pages.
    There is an estate tax where if you have over $11.7 million, you are taxed on it. At least on the federal level.

    EDIT: This thread reminds of the song "This is the song that never ends."

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  2. #1762
    Quote Originally Posted by gondrin View Post
    There is an estate tax where if you have over $11.7 million, you are taxed on it. At least on the federal level.
    I'm actually surprised that exists. Thanks for the info.

  3. #1763
    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    That's usually the case. The number of threads where posters argue anti-tax and anti-union policies trying to ground them in some totally objective harm to society but it really turns out either they or their family members are business owners and the poster is just upset at the suggestion that they might get taxed.

    Which is hilarious because none of said chuds or their families have a chance in hell of ever being wealthy enough to quality for the taxes being proposed. Instead it seems to be a weird parasocial attachment to billionaires.
    There's a realistic chance I'd end up falling into the category who might have to pay a bit more in taxes in some years if this problem is addressed seriously.

    But I don't actually mind whatsoever, cuz it would be nice to live in a society that isn't perpetually one shit day away from collapse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mihalik View Post
    There's a realistic chance I'd end up falling into the category who might have to pay a bit more in taxes in some years if this problem is addressed seriously.

    But I don't actually mind whatsoever, cuz it would be nice to live in a society that isn't perpetually one shit day away from collapse.
    I'd also probably end up being on the hook for more per year, but yes.

    You figure that the people who insist there's no such thing as a free lunch would understand that infrastructure generally needs to be paid for with money and not thoughts and prayers.
    Every heartwarming human interest story in America is like "he raised $20,000 to keep 200 orphans from being crushed in the orphan-crushing machine" and then never asks why an orphan-crushing machine exists or why you'd need to pay to prevent it from being used.

    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    so ? Teacher is about teaching, not education.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    That's usually the case. The number of threads where posters argue anti-tax and anti-union policies trying to ground them in some totally objective harm to society but it really turns out either they or their family members are business owners and the poster is just upset at the suggestion that they might get taxed.

    Which is hilarious because none of said chuds or their families have a chance in hell of ever being wealthy enough to quality for the taxes being proposed. Instead it seems to be a weird parasocial attachment to billionaires.
    Is it the "American Dream" where I can totally become a super millionaire if I just wish hard enough mindset?

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    Quote Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide View Post
    Is it the "American Dream" where I can totally become a super millionaire if I just wish hard enough mindset?
    The term is temporarily embarrassed millionaire
    Blessed are the fornicates, may we bend down to be their whores. Blessed are the rich, may our labor deliver them more.
    Blessed are the envious; bless the slothful, the wrathful, the vain. Blessed are the gluttonous, may they feast us to famine and war.
    What of the pious, the pure of heart, the peaceful, the meek, the mourning, and the merciful? All doomed, all doomed

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    Quote Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide View Post
    Is it the "American Dream" where I can totally become a super millionaire if I just wish hard enough mindset?
    Yep, just like how John McCain's economic recovery plan was "every American, ditch your sick wife and marry a beer heiress".
    Every heartwarming human interest story in America is like "he raised $20,000 to keep 200 orphans from being crushed in the orphan-crushing machine" and then never asks why an orphan-crushing machine exists or why you'd need to pay to prevent it from being used.

    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    so ? Teacher is about teaching, not education.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    Yep, just like how John McCain's economic recovery plan was "every American, ditch your sick wife and marry a beer heiress".
    That’s how you get Tuckers. Do you want Tuckers?
    Blessed are the fornicates, may we bend down to be their whores. Blessed are the rich, may our labor deliver them more.
    Blessed are the envious; bless the slothful, the wrathful, the vain. Blessed are the gluttonous, may they feast us to famine and war.
    What of the pious, the pure of heart, the peaceful, the meek, the mourning, and the merciful? All doomed, all doomed

  9. #1769
    Quote Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide View Post
    I'm actually surprised that exists. Thanks for the info.
    Don't worry. There's still plenty of turds to rain down on you.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ota-trust-laws
    "A South Dakotan trust changes all that: it protects assets from claims from ex-spouses, disgruntled business partners, creditors, litigious clients and pretty much anyone else. It won’t protect you from criminal prosecution, but it does prevent information on your assets from leaking out in a way that might spark interest from the police. And it shields your wealth from the government, since South Dakota has no income tax, no inheritance tax and no capital gains tax."

  10. #1770
    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    In which you admit your problem isn't actually that the tax would have any demonstrable economic downsides, it's that you don't like that rich people will have to pay a tax most others won't be eligible for.

    Stop pretending it's about math. Lol.
    Nope, I made my case quite clear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide View Post
    Nah, they'll probably get a fat inheritance. Do they have inheritance tax in the US? That'd be amusing.

    All he's actually doing is defending his own money. Reading what he says and how hard he argues a single thing at a time into an illogical pretzel, it seems obvious he's defending these people because he'd also have to pay more tax if they did, and people with a lot of money don't like to part with it, even if it'd help others.

    Either that, or he's just thick as pig shit. /shrug

    I'm more curious how many circles all these "arguments" can do before this thread finally gets the lock it has deserved for so many pages.
    I'm not worth anywhere close to 50 milli0on, it's not my money at risk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unfilteredJW View Post
    I’d say we all need to take a walk in Machismo’s shoes but I doubt any of us have feet that big.

    This continues to be beyond pathetic. Either close this shot so the troll stops clogging it up or get rid of the turd.
    I provided dozens of sources, and even math and statistics to back up my claims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    It's round three. Either the mods are amused by his one man shitposting show, or they're indifferent. His post count goes up by the hundreds either way.
    You admitted you couldn't refute the evidence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mihalik View Post
    I'm sorry, it's a bit hard to keep track of the amount of complete nonsense you churn out.



    Why would we do any of that nonsense? Those exemptions at the lower end of the tax bracket exist because the people benefitting from them either already pay proportionally higher taxes via their taxable earnings or because they earn so little that taxing them would be an exercise in futility and creation of human misery.

    People sitting on millions, hundreds of millions and billions pay proportionally less in taxes and frankly losing a couple of percent of their wealth is not going to fucking kill them.



    There is no double standard in the sense you think there is.

    Or do you consider progressive taxation a double standard?

    Because that's a dumbass conversation to have.
    Then, you are calling for the same double standards you guys are bitching about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mihalik View Post
    I'm sorry, it's a bit hard to keep track of the amount of complete nonsense you churn out.



    Why would we do any of that nonsense? Those exemptions at the lower end of the tax bracket exist because the people benefitting from them either already pay proportionally higher taxes via their taxable earnings or because they earn so little that taxing them would be an exercise in futility and creation of human misery.

    People sitting on millions, hundreds of millions and billions pay proportionally less in taxes and frankly losing a couple of percent of their wealth is not going to fucking kill them.



    There is no double standard in the sense you think there is.

    Or do you consider progressive taxation a double standard?

    Because that's a dumbass conversation to have.
    I pointed to Lynsi Snyder, where if Elizabeth Warren had her way, would lose majority ownership of the company she owns all by herself, in 17 years. Like it, or not, the math is there. By the nature of liquidity, and the 6% tax Warren wants to push, that means a family-owned company would have to be sold off, piece by piece, for the sole reason that it has been wildly successful over the past 60 years.

    This is simply a statistical reality, and to support it, is fucking evil.
    Quote Originally Posted by Knadra View Post
    Multiculturalism hurts and kills. This happened before Trump and it would be happening without him. Racism arises from a multicultural society. If we were monocultural, people would not see issues through the lens of race.
    This is a poster saying that people are at fault for being the victims of terrorism, because they are not white.
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    I hate personal freedom because people abuse it like a shiny new toy.

  11. #1771
    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post

    Then, you are calling for the same double standards you guys are bitching about.
    Dude.

    Are you fucking saying progressive taxation is a double standard?

    After I just fucking explained why it is not?

    Because if that's what you're doing... May God have mercy on your soul.

  12. #1772
    Quote Originally Posted by Mihalik View Post
    Dude.

    Are you fucking saying progressive taxation is a double standard?

    After I just fucking explained why it is not?

    Because if that's what you're doing... May God have mercy on your soul.
    I'm saying you're bitching that these people aren't being taxed on their stocks, then you clutch at pearls at the idea of stocks being taxed.

    Meanwhile, this plan... right here:

    https://elizabethwarren.com/plans/ultra-millionaire-tax

    Would cause the sole owner of In&Out to start to sell part of her family-owned company, just to pay for the success of that family-owned company. In 17 years, she would lose majority share of that company she owned entirely, before Warren's plan were put in place. The simple reason is, she wouldn't have enough liquid assets to keep paying for the tax that Warren, and her ghoulish zealots want to force.

    So, how do you justify that?

    How do you tell yourself that such an action is acceptable?
    Quote Originally Posted by Knadra View Post
    Multiculturalism hurts and kills. This happened before Trump and it would be happening without him. Racism arises from a multicultural society. If we were monocultural, people would not see issues through the lens of race.
    This is a poster saying that people are at fault for being the victims of terrorism, because they are not white.
    Quote Originally Posted by Wilfire View Post
    I hate personal freedom because people abuse it like a shiny new toy.

  13. #1773
    She could choose not to be a shitty owner of a company, choice, liberty, consistency, all that, and grow her company to even greater heights. Or be a modern day libertarian, a walking contradiction.

  14. #1774
    Quote Originally Posted by beanman12345 View Post
    She could choose not to be a shitty owner of a company, choice, liberty, consistency, all that, and grow her company to even greater heights. Or be a modern day libertarian, a walking contradiction.
    You mean one of the best-run companies around, where they have long offered employees healthcare, and paid well above minimum wage?

    Once again, this is the problem, it's a company that is fucking famous for treating their employees very well.
    Quote Originally Posted by Knadra View Post
    Multiculturalism hurts and kills. This happened before Trump and it would be happening without him. Racism arises from a multicultural society. If we were monocultural, people would not see issues through the lens of race.
    This is a poster saying that people are at fault for being the victims of terrorism, because they are not white.
    Quote Originally Posted by Wilfire View Post
    I hate personal freedom because people abuse it like a shiny new toy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    It would cause the sole owner of In&Out to start to sell part of her family-owned company, just to pay for the success of that family-owned company.
    They could always disburse those shares to their employees, who also caused that company to be successful.
    Every heartwarming human interest story in America is like "he raised $20,000 to keep 200 orphans from being crushed in the orphan-crushing machine" and then never asks why an orphan-crushing machine exists or why you'd need to pay to prevent it from being used.

    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    so ? Teacher is about teaching, not education.

  16. #1776
    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    They could always disburse those shares to their employees.
    Yes, the answer to authoritarian socialism, is... socialism.

    This is the point, you guys want this to happen. You want to break up companies like that, it's been your mission all along.
    Quote Originally Posted by Knadra View Post
    Multiculturalism hurts and kills. This happened before Trump and it would be happening without him. Racism arises from a multicultural society. If we were monocultural, people would not see issues through the lens of race.
    This is a poster saying that people are at fault for being the victims of terrorism, because they are not white.
    Quote Originally Posted by Wilfire View Post
    I hate personal freedom because people abuse it like a shiny new toy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    Yes, the answer to authoritarian socialism, is... socialism.

    This is the point, you guys want this to happen. You want to brak up companies like that, it's been your mission all along.
    Sorry, how is employees owning shares of the company they invest their labor in "braking (sic) up companies"?

    If your issue is that you don't want the company's shares to be sold off as a result of it being successful, then keep it within the company. Or are employees not part of the company?
    Every heartwarming human interest story in America is like "he raised $20,000 to keep 200 orphans from being crushed in the orphan-crushing machine" and then never asks why an orphan-crushing machine exists or why you'd need to pay to prevent it from being used.

    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    so ? Teacher is about teaching, not education.

  18. #1778
    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    You mean one of the best-run companies around, where they have long offered employees healthcare, and paid well above minimum wage?

    Once again, this is the problem, it's a company that is fucking famous for treating their employees very well.
    Than it won't be a problem for her. Why you keep bringing it this up for someone who won't have this problem because she can run a company so well? If she's so good to get your praise, she'll adapt and thrive. Oh right, that contradictory libertarian mindset, where she is so successful and great and running her company, but simultaneously who's destined to lose her company.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    Yes, the answer to authoritarian socialism, is... socialism.

    This is the point, you guys want this to happen. You want to break up companies like that, it's been your mission all along.
    We are whatever you decide to paint is so your empty arguments have merit.

    They don’t. Just empty words for an empty suit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    Sorry, how is employees owning shares of the company they invest their labor in "braking (sic) up companies"?

    If your issue is that you don't want the company's shares to be sold off as a result of it being successful, then keep it within the company. Or are employees not part of the company?
    Once again, you're proving my point for me. This was always about the destruction of companies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beanman12345 View Post
    Than it won't be a problem for her. Why you keep bringing it this up for someone who won't have this problem because she can run a company so well? If she's so good to get your praise, she'll adapt and thrive. Oh right, that contradictory libertarian mindset, where she is so successful, but simultaneously who's destined to lose her company.
    Once again, the math was provided. That's simply not a viable option, because you are literally taxing her out of the company.
    Quote Originally Posted by Knadra View Post
    Multiculturalism hurts and kills. This happened before Trump and it would be happening without him. Racism arises from a multicultural society. If we were monocultural, people would not see issues through the lens of race.
    This is a poster saying that people are at fault for being the victims of terrorism, because they are not white.
    Quote Originally Posted by Wilfire View Post
    I hate personal freedom because people abuse it like a shiny new toy.

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