“Why should i worship you if i can get a better deal at Wallmart?”

[Soon-TM]

Why would anyone choose to be at the whim of some god instead of just becoming a mage? Math > God

How many people prefer to blindly believe in hard coded, immutable, seemingly absolute truths that were written centuries, even millennia ago rather than in the partial, ever changing but at least verifiable truths of science?

More OT, people usually don't change their religion as easily as they do their shirts. For example, ancient Jews didn't abjure on Yawveh, even if their lands, including their most sacred places, were burned to the ground at least twice in the course of a couple of centuries.

[GreenJesus]

How many people prefer to blindly believe in hard coded, immutable, seemingly absolute truths that were written centuries, even millennia ago rather than in the partial, ever changing but at least verifiable truths of science?

More OT, people usually don't change their religion as easily as they do their shirts. For example, ancient Jews didn't abjure on Yawveh, even if their lands, including their most sacred places, were burned to the ground at least twice in the course of a couple of centuries.

Look at Jaina or Khadgar. They have no limit to their power and no one to answer to. Why would anyone choose to be a shaman or priest or whatever instead of a mage? Theoretically there is supposed to be some lei line stuff, but Khadgar seemed to use magic fine on Draenor. I feel like mages needing to know where lei lines and stuff are was retconned.

[Gorsameth]

That's exactly how I interpreted it. Elune's wisdom>Tyrande (or the wow community).

And while the Winter Queen calls her sister, is there a reason to take that term literally? Maybe I missed another reference or blue post or interview that says they are literal sisters; but otherwise, there are lots of different interpretations/uses of "sister", "brother", "cousin", "family"....

Again...
If Elune doesn't want to lose Tyrande it makes no sense for her to the power away now rather then deny the Night Warrior transformation entirely since it supposed to be fatal in the first place.
Nor does it make sense for Elune to respond to Tyrandes prayer for more power before dragonball Z flying after an escaping Sylvanas to then take her power away 10 seconds later.

[Varitok]

this is the same way women treat men in real life society.

We really do be living in a society.

[Imperator4321]

Look at Jaina or Khadgar. They have no limit to their power and no one to answer to. Why would anyone choose to be a shaman or priest or whatever instead of a mage? Theoretically there is supposed to be some lei line stuff, but Khadgar seemed to use magic fine on Draenor. I feel like mages needing to know where lei lines and stuff are was retconned.

Same reason people choose to become Warriors, Rogues and Hunters when magic exists, not everyone has what it takes to be a mage, and the requirements to be a Priest or Shaman aren't the same as a Mages (in D&D terms it would be the difference between CHA, WIS and INT casting basically).

Jaina, Khadgar and other "top-level" characeters also exist on basically an entirely different spectrum of power compared to your average mage, same way not every priest can pull a Holy Word: Salvation and revive an army like Anduin can in cinematics

[Soon-TM]

Same reason people choose to become Warriors, Rogues and Hunters when magic exists, not everyone has what it takes to be a mage, and the requirements to be a Priest or Shaman aren't the same as a Mages (in D&D terms it would be the difference between CHA, WIS and INT casting basically).

Jaina, Khadgar and other "top-level" characeters also exist on basically an entirely different spectrum of power compared to your average mage, same way not every priest can pull a Holy Word: Salvation and revive an army like Anduin can in cinematics

Side observation, but it is funny how all those uber feats of spellcasting are invariably done by Human characters. Apparently, all those Blood Elves/Nightborne, who have been practicing magic for far, FAR longer than any Human, are no match for Human Potential™. Or Draenei, who are supposedly one of the most intelligent races and have practiced the magical arts for even longer than any Azerothian, but they aren't even a footnote.

[ravenmoon]

Side observation, but it is funny how all those uber feats of spellcasting are invariably done by Human characters. Apparently, all those Blood Elves/Nightborne, who have been practicing magic for far, FAR longer than any Human, are no match for Human Potential™. Or Draenei, who are supposedly one of the most intelligent races and have practiced the magical arts for even longer than any Azerothian, but they aren't even a footnote.

wha about the night elves and void elves too who've been doing it far longer than humans too.

Problem with wow humans, is that they are not just jack of all trades, they are masters of all trades.

It is appropriate for humans to have bright sparks of talent and magic, that surprise even the elves and speak to a yet fully realised potential of a race.. but given the scale of things, to attribute so much to a race you give a life span of 70 years is what is sometimes irksome.

Still when it comes down to it, it seems, the problem is not show casing elven magicians enough.

Example, Legion Azsuna and Suramar entrance scenes shouldn't have been handled by Khadgar but by Mordant Evenshade, the Highborne leader, going to the night elf second capital of Suramar and the Night elf country of Azsuna - --

It should have been a Priestess or Mordant again or one of the Kirin'tor star whisper twins that met you at the vault of the wardens as a demon hunter, and forwarded you over to Dalaran

Why is Jaina in Naz'jatar and Genn? Should have been Prince Farondis - given his storyline, instead of Jaina, and maybe Mordant Evenshade or Tyrande herself or Malfurion.. if they're too powerful then Mordant would have been perfect.


I can understand humans been used for something, but such a show of how amazing they are all the time makes you wonder... and let's not forget Thalyssra tiptoeing so scared around Jaina when breaking out of Stormwind.

I'm sure there are many exampled you can give.. use the humans for human related stuff that the alliance is involved in, but if touches night elven things, use night elves,, if it touches Thalassian stuff, use void elves and high elves etc. But this is how they use to use orcs for everything.. WotLk should have been a Sylvanas, forsaken and blood elf show, but it was mainly run by Garrosh and Thrall, while Sylvanas and the Sunreavers got a side role.

[Ardenaso]

isn't Farondis dead tho

[Aucald]

isn't Farondis dead tho

Undead, pretty much - he's a cursed ghost and still around in the Broken Isles.

[ravenmoon]

While this is true and happens all the time in writing, somehow, in WoW it just means it's bad, lazy, the writers have no clue, or are totally biased against the faction/race the poster plays.

And /or they have clear favourites and can't seem to take into account other facets.

This is why they should let community lore lovers form different races in on some of the stuff. I remember pointing out the issues of night elf representation. However I understand that they wanna use what they wanna use, but it's up to us, if we notice inconsistencies or questions .. like .. "hey, wouldn't this night elf character be much better to use? " why isn't he the one doing it? - we need to raise this.

Sometimes I know they overuse legendary characters like Khadgar, Jaina etc, because people are familiar with them, but to be honest, they could share where appropriate some of those.

[Clone]

Problem with wow humans, is that they are not just jack of all trades, they are masters of all trades.

I'd argue the problem lies at the root of the narritive. Ultimately WoW is a fantasy built on humans exploring the exotic akin to stories like Avatar. Everything in WoW is filtered through humans and isn't optimized for the audience to embody the exotic.

[ravenmoon]

I'd argue the problem lies at the root of the narritive. Ultimately WoW is a fantasy built on humans exploring the exotic akin to stories like Avatar. Everything in WoW is filtered through humans and isn't optimized for the audience to embody the exotic.

That is true.

It is all told from a human perspective.. but this is problematic in the game that wants you to roleplay in other races.. you need quest dialogue and descriptions to alter to reflect the perspective of each race.

This is what creative needs to work on and should have done properly.. for a game that didn't voice most of it's quests, it could afford to do this with a far lower budget.

[Tanaria]

It should have been a Priestess or Mordant again or one of the Kirin'tor star whisper twins that met you at the vault of the wardens as a demon hunter, and forwarded you over to Dalaran

Not if your a Blood Elf Demon Hunter.

My Sin'dorei Demon Hunter should have met with Grand Magister Rommath, who was both former Kirin Tor and once a member of the Illidari armies.