i don't like garrosh because he has done nothing wrong. i like him because his ideals says he did nothing wrong. he was a character i love to hate. sylvanas is a character i hate to hate because she is inconsistent writing.
i don't like garrosh because he has done nothing wrong. i like him because his ideals says he did nothing wrong. he was a character i love to hate. sylvanas is a character i hate to hate because she is inconsistent writing.
“Logic: The art of thinking and reasoning in strict accordance with the limitations and incapacities of the human misunderstanding.”
"Conservative, n: A statesman who is enamored of existing evils, as distinguished from the Liberal who wishes to replace them with others."
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The Bird of Hermes Is My Name, Eating My Wings To Make Me Tame.
So story and lore created by Blizzard is equal to fan fiction? Seriously. What the heck. We had the Infinite flight as part of TBC and the story/instances. We had it as part of the story/instance in WotLK. We even defeated the leader of the dragonflight in Cataclysm. And yet you are saying they are not part of the story and are equal to fan fiction. The story and quests associated with instances exist in the story. If it is as you say and they do not exist and are equal to fan fiction then Sylvanas was never defeated in 9.1 right? Onyxia was never defeated. The Lich King was never defeated. Sargeras was never stopped. And so on and so on.
How can Blizzard every do anything right when people are so delusional about what is and isn't part of the story?
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"Man is his own star. His acts are his angels, good or ill, While his fatal shadows walk silently beside him."-Rhyme of the Primeval Paradine AFC 54
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People are jumping to conclusions, sure. But let's look at what we're currently given in terms of facts. The Jailer has accomplished his goal and is now apparently god levels of powerful. Sylvanas had a change of heart, wants to stop him and is the only person that is intimately familiar with his plans and all the cosmic shit surrounding it while we're still completely clueless.
Call me crazy but to me all of this clearly points in the direction that we're going to have to work with Sylvanas in some way or another. At the very least she's going to get "interrogated" or something and if Blizzard feels particularly daring we'll get another AU Grommash type scenario. I think to many people, those two outcomes (and everything in between) is not really satisfying.
The absolute state of Warcraft lore in 2021:
Kyrians: We need to keep chucking people into the Maw because it's our job.
Also Kyrians: Why is the Maw growing stronger despite all our efforts?
Oh I know. But the few times I brought that up in the past where Garrosh could be pointed to as an example of "Extremely poorly written WoW villain" - I have been met with little more other than "But Sylvanas burning Telrdassil is MUCH WORSE!" (<- Or similar comments of the same nature) ever since she put the torch to the tree.
Before that, knobheads kept going on about anything from:
"GARROSH DID NOTHING WRONG!" to "Uhm achthually, it was a good strategic move as Theramore was too close to the Horde capital and could one day pose as a serious threat <- This funny enough being something which is just "forgotten" when the same is said in reverse when there was only speculations about why Sylvanas set the tree ablaze.
But thank you for being a civilized person who has not forgotten that he did this as I agree; it is a valid point - Pro-Garrosh players will just maul you for it and I did not want the thread to turn into a circlejerk thing... Yet a certain someone who promotes rose tinted googles already began that cycle with force so what the heck..
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If the story was good and people were calling it shit, then maybe you'd have a point. Problem is you missed the mark :P
As far as possible outcomes go, there's little chance that it will turn out into a good story in retrospect. It's actually digging deeper holes for itself. Even the current state of events contradicts a lot of Sylvanas' motivations throughout, and are (to many people) inexcusable just because 'she got her soul fragment back'.
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I am pretty sure the Primus would know his target if not the details of his plan. Remember the primus also said we could reforge sigils to stop the Jailer. So there are other things already established to understand and fight the Jailer that do not involve Sylvanas. Will she be a part of stuff going forward? Probably. It would actually be a crappy story if she isn't because of her tactical value and skills.
"Man is his own star. His acts are his angels, good or ill, While his fatal shadows walk silently beside him."-Rhyme of the Primeval Paradine AFC 54
You know a community is bad when moderators lock a thread because "...this isnt the place to talk about it either seeing as it will get trolled..."
The absolute state of Warcraft lore in 2021:
Kyrians: We need to keep chucking people into the Maw because it's our job.
Also Kyrians: Why is the Maw growing stronger despite all our efforts?
Garrosh is the best character created in World of Warcraft, unironically.
Glad he could escape the franchise without weird twists and pseudo redemptions. The quality of the "cinematic" is terrible, but his voice actor is just something else regardless.
The absolute state of Warcraft lore in 2021:
Kyrians: We need to keep chucking people into the Maw because it's our job.
Also Kyrians: Why is the Maw growing stronger despite all our efforts?
A battle of life and death shouldn’t have one person crippled to the point of useless to give the other party a better chance. Asking a caster to not use their abilities in a fight with their life on the line is utterly idiotic. Do warriors expect people to just stand still and let them cleave away?
Originally Posted by Ruargh
I'm still to this day trying to understand people like you - Just because a character "sticks to his guns" does not mean that said character is well written. Garrosh was little to no more than a warmongering character with anger issue caused by daddy issues. His entire character can be summed up with "Me love Horde, dad made horde great, dad sullied Horde by drinking demon blood, me eternally angry now because dad brought shame on Horde, I will show you all a true Horde"
This is not AS Bad as Sylvanas but he is still one of the worst written major WoW characters imo. Like yeah duh one-note characters that hardly see the light of day will always be worse in most ways so it's not like he is the worst written character in all WoW-Lorde; but he is for sure one of the worst ones among the crowd of major characters. If he's so good because "He never stopped believing in the True Horde" then the same argument can be used for Sylvanas as while she wants people to bend and serve; She will never do it "If they are forced too" or some profound BS like that.
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Garrosh is the closest to a real
Warchief WoW has ever had. Sylvanas was serving another master, thrall turned them into a collection of alliance sympathizers.
Garrosh was not only a true warchief in the wc2 way, but he would have won had blizzard not forced the horde into betraying him. That’s bad writing. No member of the horde is going to sell out the horde on the verge of victory. Nobody but Blizz is like “don’t you wanna be an alliance member for one raid rather than win WoW?”
You do make it sound like the remaining races of the Horde loves genocide. I'm all for people supporting what little Garrosh stands for as a character; all the power too you. But when making an argument like this; at least try to stick to the actual lore. There is reason why Garrosh and the "Horde" he shambled together was made up of Orcs and Goblins for the most part; because Orcs due to story yes; sort of has "war in their blood" at this point. And Goblins can legit be bought, "Time is money" - But do not try to make it sound like the Taurens, Darkspear, Blood Elfs or Pandaren would like to join a Horde which would essentially be built upon the foundation of "We will conquer it all" - The Forsaken? Maybe give or take what Blizzard would have had Sylvanas do had they not gone down the rabbit hole they currently have dug themselves into, but yeah. The Horde was not forced to betray Garrosh; Garrosh just displayed his true nature as a one-note war machine which was interested in little more than conquest and as a result: most other members of the Horde turned against him - Nothing was forced; it all happened due to how poorly written he was of a character.
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