Faction war = racism? Why it's still allowed?

[Maxilian]

And I just think, that it looks weird and sounds like hypocrisy, when some people say, that they're against racism, but at the same play or make racist game.

Is quite racist to compare in game racism to RL racism, they are not in any way similar, we cannot compare the "logical sound" racism of a group of people that hate/fear other group that literally came from another planer infused with the blood of demons, to RL racism that is not logical in any way or form, is the same problem that the movie Zootopia had, if you say that Zootopia is a about RL racism, is a really bad thing to say, as just like in wow, zootopia racism came from a logical reason (the fact that there was a group that DID ACTUALLY used to eat the other to survive).

[Fatbeaverlol]

I'm not sure, if Wow is only game, that has faction-based PVP, not "team vs team" one. But at least, it's only game I know. But don't you think, that it's bad, when PVP-based story in game teaches players (including children, who are easier to be influenced) to hate other players, just because "You're orc and he is human"? It's real humans, who sit behind other faction's character. Same, as me. Why should I hate them? Doesn't it lead to virtual racism, that can turn into real one then? Why it's still allowed?

I always hated PVP-retaled stuff in this game exactly because it makes me hate other players for virtual reasons and I don't want to hate anybody.

And I just think, that it looks weird and sounds like hypocrisy, when some people say, that they're against racism, but at the same play or make racist game.

P.S. I'm personally PVE player, who plays both Alliance and Horde. So, I'm not racist. It's game, that tries to push racist stuff (especially in PVP-based xpack, like MOP and BFA) on me and I hate it.

Everything is racism snowflame spotted.
Seriously cmon hahaha

[Zephire]

I'm not sure, if Wow is only game, that has faction-based PVP, not "team vs team" one. But at least, it's only game I know. But don't you think, that it's bad, when PVP-based story in game teaches players (including children, who are easier to be influenced) to hate other players, just because "You're orc and he is human"? It's real humans, who sit behind other faction's character. Same, as me. Why should I hate them? Doesn't it lead to virtual racism, that can turn into real one then? Why it's still allowed?

I always hated PVP-retaled stuff in this game exactly because it makes me hate other players for virtual reasons and I don't want to hate anybody.

And I just think, that it looks weird and sounds like hypocrisy, when some people say, that they're against racism, but at the same play or make racist game.

P.S. I'm personally PVE player, who plays both Alliance and Horde. So, I'm not racist. It's game, that tries to push racist stuff (especially in PVP-based xpack, like MOP and BFA) on me and I hate it.

Maybe it's the opposite? We tend to hat people IRL for a multitude of reasons. One being the country the person belongs to. According to you that person is still a person, dispite it's nationality.

Nationality = Faction
Human = Player

I'd say the game rather teach us to understand the difference between a faction and a player or at least gives us the opportunity to. We also have several quests and events in game where we help those we learn to hate (I guess not players though).

Also, just because you don't PvP doesn't mean you can't be racist, nor does it mean you are if you PvP. Treat it like a boxing ring, in the ring, you fight furiously and might hate the other one but when the match is done you both show respect to eachother. What happened in the ring, stays in the ring. Outside of it, you could both be loving parents, helping kittens and donate to charities. As long as the outside isn't about survival of the fittest it should be fine.

[Lochton]

I'm not sure, if Wow is only game, that has faction-based PVP, not "team vs team" one. But at least, it's only game I know. But don't you think, that it's bad, when PVP-based story in game teaches players (including children, who are easier to be influenced) to hate other players, just because "You're orc and he is human"? It's real humans, who sit behind other faction's character. Same, as me. Why should I hate them? Doesn't it lead to virtual racism, that can turn into real one then? Why it's still allowed?

I always hated PVP-retaled stuff in this game exactly because it makes me hate other players for virtual reasons and I don't want to hate anybody.

And I just think, that it looks weird and sounds like hypocrisy, when some people say, that they're against racism, but at the same play or make racist game.

P.S. I'm personally PVE player, who plays both Alliance and Horde. So, I'm not racist. It's game, that tries to push racist stuff (especially in PVP-based xpack, like MOP and BFA) on me and I hate it.

Faction Vs. Faction is a common thing in almost all games. As well, digital dislike and hate created things in a game do not make you one in real life, and if it does - then a game is NOT your only problem. If you turn RL racist over racial conflicts in the game, then you are in the scary category of criminals who claim they just did what they've been doing in-game (aka. the 'violent games make violent people' excuse).

Just like you don't become a colonialist by playing certain games, or a terrorist by playing Counter-Strike.

Heck. With this stance, you should be worried about checkers, or chess too? How about cards?

[Nzx]

"Why it's still allowed" for you to post on these forums is beyond me.

[Mysterymask]

"Why it's still allowed" for you to post on these forums is beyond me.

Dude the level of dedication to the absolute worst person alive RP is astounding he went from being so bad at wow that a guy literally slamming his face on the keyboard repeatedly is better then him to OMG video games are turning me racist...

[Lochton]

Yeah, whether games affect real life or not - isn't area, where I'm specialist. But it just boils down to "I'm not murderer IRL and it's ok for me to virtually kill other people". It's just matter of self-control. You know. Games show your hidden desires. It's usually what you like to do, but can't IRL due to some reasons. And racism is very sensitive thing now, as some other things, like homophobia. Today it's not only bad to do it IRL. It's bad to even think about it. And I just think, that it's hypocrisy, when you say BLM IRL, but think, that it's good to be racist in virtual environment.

First of all, it is not bad to think about it but that is down to your own personal process and reasoning, as long as you respect the other human being.

Secondly, hidden desires is why we explore games. Wishes, dreams, story, adventure, action - that is why we play games. We use it as a conduit to achieve something. Though, just because it is how it is in the real world, does not compare to how it is in a game.

I love chess. Does not make me racist, nor does it make me a conquerer but it gives me the desire of the competition and play of it. I've played decades of Red Alert, does not make me a war veteran, or a racist either because I enjoy certain nations more than others.

And I just think, that it's hypocrisy, when you say BLM IRL, but think, that it's good to be racist in virtual environment.

And then again. I doubt people log into WoW with the feel-good feeling of, "Yes, I can finally, and safely be a racist" because... we already have people doing this on the internet without even a game.

[Specialka]

I'm not sure, if Wow is only game, that has faction-based PVP, not "team vs team" one. But at least, it's only game I know. But don't you think, that it's bad, when PVP-based story in game teaches players (including children, who are easier to be influenced) to hate other players, just because "You're orc and he is human"? It's real humans, who sit behind other faction's character. Same, as me. Why should I hate them? Doesn't it lead to virtual racism, that can turn into real one then? Why it's still allowed?

I always hated PVP-retaled stuff in this game exactly because it makes me hate other players for virtual reasons and I don't want to hate anybody.

And I just think, that it looks weird and sounds like hypocrisy, when some people say, that they're against racism, but at the same play or make racist game.

P.S. I'm personally PVE player, who plays both Alliance and Horde. So, I'm not racist. It's game, that tries to push racist stuff (especially in PVP-based xpack, like MOP and BFA) on me and I hate it.

Don't you know Warhammer ? You damn heretic.

[bRighteyez]

I'm not sure, if Wow is only game, that has faction-based PVP, not "team vs team" one. But at least, it's only game I know. But don't you think, that it's bad, when PVP-based story in game teaches players (including children, who are easier to be influenced) to hate other players, just because "You're orc and he is human"? It's real humans, who sit behind other faction's character. Same, as me. Why should I hate them? Doesn't it lead to virtual racism, that can turn into real one then? Why it's still allowed?

I always hated PVP-retaled stuff in this game exactly because it makes me hate other players for virtual reasons and I don't want to hate anybody.

And I just think, that it looks weird and sounds like hypocrisy, when some people say, that they're against racism, but at the same play or make racist game.

P.S. I'm personally PVE player, who plays both Alliance and Horde. So, I'm not racist. It's game, that tries to push racist stuff (especially in PVP-based xpack, like MOP and BFA) on me and I hate it.

No and I don't appreciate your signature either.

[Lochton]

No and I don't appreciate your signature either.

I did not notice that one, and yeah.. I am not keen on that one either.. Then again, not experienced a game yet that cannot be enjoyed by casuals.

[Ivarr]

I see lots of wildly diverse races coming together in their racism against other races. Racism unites us all.

[Venziir]

I'm not sure, if Wow is only game, that has faction-based PVP, not "team vs team" one. But at least, it's only game I know. But don't you think, that it's bad, when PVP-based story in game teaches players (including children, who are easier to be influenced) to hate other players, just because "You're orc and he is human"? It's real humans, who sit behind other faction's character. Same, as me. Why should I hate them? Doesn't it lead to virtual racism, that can turn into real one then? Why it's still allowed?

I always hated PVP-retaled stuff in this game exactly because it makes me hate other players for virtual reasons and I don't want to hate anybody.

And I just think, that it looks weird and sounds like hypocrisy, when some people say, that they're against racism, but at the same play or make racist game.

P.S. I'm personally PVE player, who plays both Alliance and Horde. So, I'm not racist. It's game, that tries to push racist stuff (especially in PVP-based xpack, like MOP and BFA) on me and I hate it.

You've kinda missed the point though. Sure, there have been quite a few incidents of "X race vs Y race" and such. But Blizzard have shown us, since Warcraft 3, that no matter what, the *only* thing that can beat Villain Z, is to band together cross faction and race. Every storyline in this game basically ends with "Fighting and racism bad, unity and peace good".

[shise]

It is not racism at all. The closest we had to it was Garrosh.

If something, it is closer to our colonial era wars/civil wars and so on. They were never driven by racism but by exploration, appropriation and well, nature of civilizations colliding really.

People seriously have to stop playing the current social silly trend topics into games. Let them be what they are and stop comparing/getting offended. (This is not pointed at anyone but in general).
Damn millennial hippy-snowflakes are the worse and, sadly, it is getting to our games badly :/

[Itisamuh]

It is not racism at all. The closest we had to it was Garrosh.

If something, it is closer to our colonial era wars/civil wars and so on. They were never driven by racism but by exploration, appropriation and well, nature of civilizations colliding really.

People seriously have to stop playing the current social silly trend topics into games. Let them be what they are and stop comparing/getting offended. (This is not pointed at anyone but in general).
Damn millennial hippy-snowflakes are the worse and, sadly, it is getting to our games badly :/

Maybe it's supposed to be the way you describe, but since the factions aren't any different from each other anymore, there's really no justification for them at this point beyond mindless racism. I'm about as far from a social justice warrior as it gets, but that doesn't stop me from thinking the factions are a severely outdated concept, since they won't commit to making either faction dark. I don't think any decisions should be made to pander to progressives, but in this particular case I wouldn't mind them indirectly getting what they want, if it's going to make the game better.

[Super Kami Dende]

Because Racism is a great thing in Fictional work. It opens up a lot of possible story options.

[Tumile]

I'm not sure, if Wow is only game, that has faction-based PVP, not "team vs team" one. But at least, it's only game I know. But don't you think, that it's bad, when PVP-based story in game teaches players (including children, who are easier to be influenced) to hate other players, just because "You're orc and he is human"? It's real humans, who sit behind other faction's character. Same, as me. Why should I hate them? Doesn't it lead to virtual racism, that can turn into real one then? Why it's still allowed?

I always hated PVP-retaled stuff in this game exactly because it makes me hate other players for virtual reasons and I don't want to hate anybody.

And I just think, that it looks weird and sounds like hypocrisy, when some people say, that they're against racism, but at the same play or make racist game.

P.S. I'm personally PVE player, who plays both Alliance and Horde. So, I'm not racist. It's game, that tries to push racist stuff (especially in PVP-based xpack, like MOP and BFA) on me and I hate it.

Honestly, If your take on the war between Humans and Orcs is Racism, and it genuinly affects you the way you described, then theres a few options for you, I highly recommend therapy, for your own sake as well as others, I understand that can often be used as an insult, but please don't take it as such, other people are able to differentiate between fiction and reality, and the two do not need the same moral code what so ever. part of the suspension of disbelief is attached to ethics and morals. we understand that the orcs respect strength, and one of the ways they showcase this thematically is to cast out the weak. we understand, respect, and enjoy this part of the thematics. that does not mean I'm about to go setup a baby race, and the slowest baby gets yeeted off the roof. where from what I can read in your post, the slowest baby would currently be soaring through the sky at terminal velocity. you claim not to be racist, but again, by the sound of your post you seem to be the most racist wow player I've ever met, and I hang out with some pretty edgy crowds. never have I heard anyone claim they start feeling hatred akin to blind racial bias towards other players just because of PVP.

Now this is the most important part, everything you mentioned have NOTHING to do with Racism:

prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized.

Humans aren't against orcs because of their skin colour, ethnical background or anything like that, they hate orcs because the Orcs came through the dark portal and started fucking murdering everybody. I'm not much of a fanatic for wow lore, since most of the early lore was copy pasted Warhammer lore i kinda gave it a hard pass. but if this topic bothers you maybe you should read about it? who knows, you might enjoy it more than sitting arguing with people on twitter about shit you don't really know anything about.

[Saltysquidoon]

Ah, what about all the PvE racism you could be baiting about op?

We've killed more kobolds, quillboar, gnolls, centaur, harpies, furblogs, elementals, undead, dragons and demons than I care to count

[Super Dickmann]

The issue isn't with the OP's bait thread, it's that this will be a genuine position by the people making this game if it isn't already. We're only a year or two away from some new hire in Blizzard realizing that in Vanilla Magni had us invade a sovereign country and assassinate its leader because his daughter was in an interracial relationship.

[MrLachyG]

We should also ban Tetris! To many colors and shapes!

also Super Mario promotes violence against turtles! Ban it!

[Craaazyyy]

that's a bait 100%