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  1. #1441
    Quote Originally Posted by DarkAmbient View Post
    Enough with the 'bad faith' bullshit. You're just flaming here. No-one is doing what you are suggesting.
    Who's arguing in bad faith? I'm not arguing in bad faith, I never said anyone was arguing in bad faith. Literally, no one in this thread is arguing in bad faith.

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    Look I'm not saying nobody argues in bad faith, I think those few bad apples should be singled out and punished. I'm just saying I've not seen any damning evidence of a culture of bad faith argumentation.
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  2. #1442
    Yeah, that picture with the Bill Cosby poster says enough.

    That said, I don’t get all the fuss regarding the message “I’m going to gather hot chicks” or whatever. So many pretentious saints answering that tweet, it’s ridiculous. I guess those saints have never been to Ibiza, Mallorca, Gili Islands, etc. You know, the places people go to gather hot chicks/dudes and have LOADS of sex whilst intoxicated to the gills.

    Now, I’m not defending these dirty farts because from what I understand, it wasn’t consensual in most cases. That said, I have experience plenty of office-parties in my youth that went semi-orgy and believe it or not, these orgies were usually started by one or two female colleagues.

    Anyway, I was looking forward to playing Diablo 4, but now I don’t really want to support this shit company.

  3. #1443
    Quote Originally Posted by infinitemeridian View Post
    I don't understand - isn't Ghostcrawler contradicting himself? In his riot post, he says the cosby suite was called that based on a fleamarket portrait. Then in his other tweet, he says it was based off of a rug??
    The way I understand is that it wasn't the first Cosby suite, so they had some previous Cosby suite (possibly with a rug) and thought it so funny that they bought a cheap portrait of Cosby. That also means that even if it might have been named for the rug at some point in time I don't see why they named the new suite Cosby suite based on the rug in the previous suite (although in-joke might be weird); there must have been something else happening in the Cosby suite.

    I'm not confident that this was exactly what happened; but at least that story would make sense.

    Having a vague recollection after that time makes sense, it's a lot weirder with the ones that say 'Oh during that drunken night about a decade ago I meant exactly this with my tweet, but I don't recall anything untoward against women during my entire time at Blizzard'.
    At least he didn't say that it was based on https://rateyourmusic.com/release/al...l-cosby-suite/ (the music is bad; IMO).

    Now you might say that this naming is irrelevant compared to the law-suit (that to a large extend deals with pay discrimination - not sexual assaults).
    However, having Cosby suites at multiple conferences indicates a pattern - and not just one single bad instance; that makes it worse; and also make it clearer that management let it slide. There was also the claim that the previous conference was GDC - which seems more like an industry event with less fans attending (and more job applicants than pure fans).
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  4. #1444
    Don't mind me, just tossing more stuff on the pile.

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  5. #1445
    Quote Originally Posted by NoiseTank13 View Post
    Don't mind me, just tossing more stuff on the pile.

    https://twitter.com/GameAnim/status/1420581827698302980
    I hope someone is looking through all those videos to see if there's something more.
    Note that this predates Alex work at the company.

    The start is only shirt-less guys, games that aren't as good as sex.

    It certainly sets the non-professional frat-boy tone of only hiring gamers, and it even says it was a work environment that was thankfully more like a frat house than a business (6.00-6.10); so that part has long roots.

    BTW: reason #9 to work at blizzard, "they don't care if you are married to your sister", #2 "the men of blizzard calendar" (ewww).
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  6. #1446
    Quote Originally Posted by Forogil View Post
    I hope someone is looking through all those videos to see if there's something more.
    Note that this predates Alex work at the company.

    The start is only shirt-less guys, games that aren't as good as sex.

    It certainly sets the non-professional frat-boy tone of only hiring gamers, and it even says it was a work environment that was thankfully more like a frat house than a business (6.00-6.10); so that part has long roots.
    It's not news that start up game studios were staffed by mostly men of a certain age back in the 80s and 90s or even 00s. That's just how it was. It's not unique to Blizzard. And it's also not unexpected that young, geeky, awkward Men will have done some frankly weird and strange things over the years in pursuit of office or outside of office entertainment. Again that's just part of the industry at that time.

    Now of course, sexual intimidation, discrimination and abuse is a whole different matter and there is never an excuse for that. At all. But I think we need to be careful we don't start throwing 10-20 years of an entire industry onto a fire.

  7. #1447
    Quote Originally Posted by Collected View Post
    It's not news that start up game studios were staffed by mostly men of a certain age back in the 80s and 90s or even 00s. That's just how it was. It's not unique to Blizzard. And it's also not unexpected that young, geeky, awkward Men will have done some frankly weird and strange things over the years in pursuit of office or outside of office entertainment. Again that's just part of the industry at that time.

    Now of course, sexual intimidation, discrimination and abuse is a whole different matter and there is never an excuse for that. At all. But I think we need to be careful we don't start throwing 10-20 years of an entire industry onto a fire.
    A long time ago, Molly Ivins was describing an argument she had had with someone over the events around Haditha, and she realized they had gotten to an insane part of the argument where they were both saying, "You don't understand, that's what happens in war!"

    In this case, it's: That's just the culture. What many of us are trying to say is that there is a direct line between the two--in other words, "the sexual intimidation, discrimination, and abuse" is inextricably bound to the culture, and very much NOT "a whole different matter."
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    Until then, I honestly don't care about anything else much. Until then it can all burn down to the ground for all I care.
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    Yeah, I think it's fair to conclude that "Fuck the poor" "Arch-angel of Riots" is just in it with the hope of inflicting maximum harm for maximum chaos, and since they've shown no particular attachment to any guiding moral, ideological, or political principle, it seems to be for the sake of maximum fun.

  8. #1448
    Quote Originally Posted by Collected View Post
    It's not news that start up game studios were staffed by mostly men of a certain age back in the 80s and 90s or even 00s. That's just how it was.
    True, but the video suggests that it was still very much their spirit after 10 years, in 2001 (right?), when they made it.

    And the law-suit suggest that they still kept that spirit at least until 2013; and that also seems consistent with their recruitment messages - but they have changed their messaging the last couple of years.

  9. #1449
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    Quote Originally Posted by Levelfive View Post
    A long time ago, Molly Ivins was describing an argument she had had with someone over the events around Haditha, and she realized they had gotten to an insane part of the argument where they were both saying, "You don't understand, that's what happens in war!"

    In this case, it's: That's just the culture. What many of us are trying to say is that there is a direct line between the two--in other words, "the sexual intimidation, discrimination, and abuse" is inextricably bound to the culture, and very much NOT "a whole different matter."
    Also, the implication that it's much the same at other studios of the time.

    Yeah, and? That means they were all filled with misogynistic fuckwits, too, who should be facing similar scrutiny.

    The conclusion you should be drawing from those kinds of arguments is that they're all bad and should be facing legal penalties accordingly, not that this is some norm that should be accepted as just normal work conduct.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Levelfive View Post
    A long time ago, Molly Ivins was describing an argument she had had with someone over the events around Haditha, and she realized they had gotten to an insane part of the argument where they were both saying, "You don't understand, that's what happens in war!"

    In this case, it's: That's just the culture. What many of us are trying to say is that there is a direct line between the two--in other words, "the sexual intimidation, discrimination, and abuse" is inextricably bound to the culture, and very much NOT "a whole different matter."
    It tells that culture is the problem when GC is himself saying he should have spotted it and called it out. It was, and it seems still is, so pervasive in the culture that it doesn’t stand out as abhorrent, and people aren’t comfortable calling it out and reporting it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoiseTank13 View Post
    Don't mind me, just tossing more stuff on the pile.

    https://twitter.com/GameAnim/status/1420581827698302980
    Eh I can pass on the shirtless guy (maybe I just don't know the context) but those other two are.... not good. ESPECIALLY the one about "girls will be seen with you even if you aren't holding a dollar."
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    Quote Originally Posted by downnola View Post
    What's the point of arguing about something so mundane and irrelevant then? How and why they nicknamed the room after Cosby is just a distraction from all of the sexual harassment they covered up for almost a decade.
    Speaking for myself


    Thats not even what I am arguing. I'm just not willing to say everyone is at fault without some proof they knew/approved/did it. Obviously something happened. Lets have the info come out and see who is to blame and who isn't.

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  14. #1454
    man idk it all sounds as if their hiring process is a couch casting as the first step.

    Blizzard has 4700+ employees. Are they all in two camps? Shitlords and victims?

    Was the first thing in the morning a weener to your face as a greeting for all these years?

    I don't see why I should demonize the whole company. Some socially inept man children who used to be good developers, promoted themselves to higher positions and turned out to be human turds. Sure, it sucks that many of them were/are in leadership positions, but honestly it's not them who make Blizzard who they are. It's the mass of regular employees. The UX Designers, the Visual Artists, the Developers, etc.

    So I don't get the hate against "Blizzard". Focus on the perpetrators, fire and replace them, move on.

  15. #1455
    So Ghostcrawler feigned ignorance and never chimed in about the details regarding the Cosby Suite until images of him talking about it surfaced on reddit? Then he was like "oh yes I knew it existed". Nice! Oh and then he tries to tell us he knew nothing about sexual harassment.....

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  16. #1456
    Quote Originally Posted by Tsarez View Post
    man idk it all sounds as if their hiring process is a couch casting as the first step.

    Blizzard has 4700+ employees. Are they all in two camps? Shitlords and victims?

    Was the first thing in the morning a weener to your face as a greeting for all these years?

    I don't see why I should demonize the whole company. Some socially inept man children who used to be good developers, promoted themselves to higher positions and turned out to be human turds. Sure, it sucks that many of them were/are in leadership positions, but honestly it's not them who make Blizzard who they are. It's the mass of regular employees. The UX Designers, the Visual Artists, the Developers, etc.

    So I don't get the hate against "Blizzard". Focus on the perpetrators, fire and replace them, move on.
    At the end of the day, if Blizzard was sold off, the employees wouldn't get the money, upper management and shareholders would.

    If that same upper management was aware of all of this horrible shit and tried to hide it from the public and their shareholders to continue to make money and save face, then you blame the company.

    You don't tie the employees, who have absolutely no power and no real stake in a company, around the main campus building as a shield and cry "don't shoot! Think of the employeeeeees!" when they are the ones being abused in the first place.

  17. #1457
    Quote Originally Posted by Slowpoke is a Gamer View Post
    Eh I can pass on the shirtless guy (maybe I just don't know the context) but those other two are.... not good. ESPECIALLY the one about "girls will be seen with you even if you aren't holding a dollar."
    I feel this is more of a joke towards the "nerdy virgins". Especially since it was back in the day where gaming wasn't as big.

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    Yeah people are really surprised a bunch of over indulged programmers who have had nothing but utter contempt and disrespect towards customers would threat the company and Blizzcon like an opportunity to do whatever they wanted.

    Honestly I think this kind of stuff is par for the course in the entertainment industry
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orange Joe View Post
    Right, so, your fact was actually just "moss grows on trees". Brilliant.
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  20. #1460
    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    Also, the implication that it's much the same at other studios of the time.

    Yeah, and? That means they were all filled with misogynistic fuckwits, too, who should be facing similar scrutiny.

    The conclusion you should be drawing from those kinds of arguments is that they're all bad and should be facing legal penalties accordingly, not that this is some norm that should be accepted as just normal work conduct.
    No, the conclusion is at most be that there is a cloud of suspicion around all of them and that shall be investigated.

    Saying that all were bad is prejudicial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xilurm View Post
    I feel this is more of a joke towards the "nerdy virgins". Especially since it was back in the day where gaming wasn't as big.
    I see it as problematic on multiple levels. Sure, it's a joke towards "nerdy virgins" - but also intended to impress (and recruit) those "nerdy virgins" that they are now "rockstars" who don't have that problem.

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