Activision-Blizzard Sued By California

[Krakan]

Unless you are talking about a game you yourself made, then it is not your game any more than anyone else who plays it.

A figure of speech as I'm sure you were aware.

[Endus]

Yes, blaming all of our culture's problems on "whiteness" and "white privilege" totally has NOTHING "anti-white" about it.

That's not CRT.

If you don't understand what a term means, you can't form a proper opinion about it. And this point, you're just parroting disinformation straight from Tucker Carlson or something.

No such thing as "punching down". That's a blatantly Socialist way of thinking, with the inference that the only thing that is acceptable is "punching up".

While it isn't socialist at all, why would it even be a problem if it were?

Anyone who kneejerks over something being "socialist" is an extremist with little connection to reality.

[Grimbold21]

The answer is they're both toxic reactions and neither of them are inherently male traits.

Being a bro is a function of nurture, not nature.

Wait, so point out that certain situations are equally problematic is toxic?

[Darth Vowrawn]

Orwell didn't hate other socialists. If he did he wouldn't have went to Spain to fight on their behalf. Read "Why I Write" and you can read for yourself that everything he's written was in support of democratic socialism.

Except that's WHY he hates most Socialists. Most of them are authoritarians, not democratic.

Peterson left that part out of his lecture when he oversimplified the reason Orwell wrote "The Road to Wigan Pier," so I get why you're confused.

Doesn't change that he's correct about it.

[Elegiac]

Wait, so point out the certain situations are equally problematic is toxic?

It isn't; but attempting to pivot the focus away from one group of victims is not doing that. Which is what the aim is with "but what about men"; they don't actually care about anyone being harassed, they just want people to shut up and for things to go back to business as usual.

[Levelfive]

I was there to. 99% of the people that mentioned her or brought her up where the ones supposedly against her being treated that way.


Did she get abuse on twitter and such? yes. Was it wrong? yes. But I seen many post about a legitimate concern and people would only scream misogyny at them.

That's wildly revisionist. And wildly is understating it. Almost as much as, "Did she get abuse on twitter and such?" It was called "Five Guys Burgers and Fries" *because* she fucked 5 guys. (Get it??) So to pretend that it was somehow incidental and "99%" of the people who brought her up were defending her... This is actually such an insane revisionist take that it's hard to believe it's even in good faith, but I'd rather give you some benefit of the doubt. It's also clear we're not going to agree, and it's pretty far off topic.

[Cracked]

Sweetheart, no - it has to have a systemic component by definition.

Oh good to know! I can never be racist then since I control no systems.

[Grimbold21]

It isn't; but attempting to pivot the focus away from one group of victims is not doing that. Which is what the aim is with "but what about men"; they don't actually care about anyone being harassed, they just want people to shut up and for things to go back to business as usual.

I disagree, and no it isn't. That's a predisposed assumption.

If anything it's indicative of a state of exhaustion, both because complaints are made at the expense of X, target X, or simply put "alright, that's true, but what about us?"

You want an anecdotal example? Here: https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wo...scared/1043578 . I suppose that isn't sexist?

You went on a multiple page tangent on how aesthetic preferences can be problematic and harmful. Regardless of the merits of that particular question, and like many other contexts, it doesn't cross anyone's mind to consider that a given issue might not necessarily be unilateral in its consequences.

[Darth Vowrawn]

That's not CRT.

Then why does it focus on that? It was created based on Critical Theory, a Marxist ideology that grew out of the Frankfurt School in Germany, with CRT being the Americanized version of it, applied to "racial justice". CRT is just Marxism if you substitute "proletariat" with "black" and "capitalist" with "white".

If you don't understand what a term means, you can't form a proper opinion about it. And this point, you're just parroting disinformation straight from Tucker Carlson or something.

You mean like you are parroting Wolf Blitzer?

While it isn't socialist at all, why would it even be a problem if it were?

It is Socialist in it's entirety. It's the same reason "x is always evil" and "y is always good and perfect". It's collectivist. The "good and noble oppressed, versus the evil elites" crap.

Anyone who kneejerks over something being "socialist" is an extremist with little connection to reality.

Irony.

[zEmini]

This thread has derailed....

Anyways I read more of the "apologies" from high management. Looks like more "bullshit we sorry we bad nonsense". Next I read about how they are still going to fight this in court because it never happened...

You can't be sorry, then try to fight the allegations. Blizzard continues to just fuck up

[downnola]

They were already told.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racist

"a person who is racist : someone who holds the belief that race (see RACE entry 1 sense 1a) is a fundamental determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race"

I'm aware that they have multiple definitions of the words, some include systemic some not - but the noun racist only has the definition above (in Merriam-Webster at this moment).

Can we now skip this pseudo-discussion and focus on the actual law-suit?

That definition doesn't describe someone who hates another person just because they have white skin or because they smell or don't shower. That definition is a description of a person who follows a very specific ideology about the superiority of one race over others. Even if it didn't, you don't get to just ignore the other definitions of a word because it doesn't suit your argument.

If you really wanted to skip the discussion, you wouldn't have made that lame attempt at a gotcha.

[Endus]

Then why does it focus on that?

It doesn't.

It isn't my fault you don't have a clue what you're talking about.

It was created based on Critical Theory, a Marxist ideology that grew out of the Frankfurt School in Germany, with CRT being the Americanized version of it, applied to "racial justice". CRT is just Marxism if you substitute "proletariat" with "black" and "capitalist" with "white".

That's grossly inaccurate at pretty much every level. And skating real close to the "cultural marxism" Nazi conspiracy theory.

It is Socialist in it's entirety. It's the same reason "x is always evil" and "y is always good and perfect". It's collectivist. The "good and noble oppressed, versus the evil elites" crap.

That's not what socialism is even about.

Jesus wept, why do you insist on misusing terminology?

[Elegiac]

If anything it's indicative of a state of exhaustion, both because complaints are made at the expense of X, target X, or simply put "alright, that's true, but what about us?"

What about you?

Nothing about pointing out that toxic masculinity is a thing is "making a complaint at the expense of men" or "targeting men". Nor is it erasure of the male victims of Blizzard's environment of toxic masculinity.

If you're exhausted hearing about it imagine how exhausted the victims are to have to live through it.

[Orange Joe]

That's wildly revisionist. And wildly is understating it. Almost as much as, "Did she get abuse on twitter and such?" It was called "Five Guys Burgers and Fries" *because* she fucked 5 guys. (Get it??) So to pretend that it was somehow incidental and "99%" of the people who brought her up were defending her... This is actually such an insane revisionist take that it's hard to believe it's even in good faith, but I'd rather give you some benefit of the doubt. It's also clear we're not going to agree, and it's pretty far off topic.

I pretty much agree with the mod edit breakdown in the first post of the thread.


https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...1#post29033004

[downnola]

Except that's WHY he hates most Socialists. Most of them are authoritarians, not democratic.



Doesn't change that he's correct about it.

I'm going to say this in the politest way I can. Peterson wasn't correct about it and you should read more of Orwell's work so you can stop falsely believing the right-wing distortions of his work that conservatives routinely try to use as bludgeons against the left.

[Elegiac]

I pretty much agree with the mod edit breakdown in the first post of the thread.

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...1#post29033004

Implying MMO-C isn't part of the problem, lol.

[Darth Vowrawn]

It doesn't.

It isn't my fault you don't have a clue what you're talking about.

It's not my fault you don't define it in order to hide what it really is. It's why all you can do is "deny, deny, deny", as posting what it actually is, would prove me right.

That's grossly inaccurate at pretty much every level.

No, it isn't. Prove me wrong, then. Oh, wait, you can't. If you did post any of the clips of lunatic leftists proposing it, or teaching it, you would come off as the usual "you can't be racist against white people" racist lunatics.

And skating real close to the "cultural marxism" Nazi conspiracy theory.

Just label the truth as a "Nazi conspiracy theory", that always works. Cultural Marxism is exactly what CRT is. All those terms are exactly the same thing, critical theory, critical race theory, cultural Marxism, as they are just Marxism applied to culture/race instead of "class".

That's not what socialism is even about.

Jesus wept, why do you insist on misusing terminology?

Stop moving the goalposts. That wasn't the question I was answering. You asked how it was Socialist, I defined how it was. However, what Socialism is about, essentially, is totalitarianism, about the group having complete control and the individual being entirely subservient to the group, in order to bring forth complete societal equity. Socialism is equity through collectivism.

[uuuhname]

Jesus hop skipping Christ you can tell CRT is such a right wing boogieman that we seriously cannot escape it being mentioned regardless of what the thread is.

[Elegiac]

Jesus hop skipping Christ you can tell CRT is such a right wing boogieman that we seriously cannot escape it being mentioned regardless of what the thread is.

Equality looks like oppression when you've been privileged your entire life, I guess.

[Darth Vowrawn]

I'm going to say this in the politest way I can. Peterson wasn't correct about it and you should read more of Orwell's work so you can stop falsely believing the right-wing distortions of his work that conservatives routinely try to use as bludgeons against the left.

Seeing as Socialism, by definition, is totalitarianism, and thus makes all Socialists by definition the same as Nazis, it doesn't really matter.