(SPOILERS) Chains of Domination final chapter cut-scene

[ilgynoth]

Honestly I really love it. Anduin really got a good stab at Sylvanas's shriveled husk of a conscience with "Is this what you felt when Arthas raised you, Sylvanas?" and especially with "Not what you made me to be." OOF. Anduin's compassion and hope are gone, and seeing him brought this low is rough.

Though it reiterates what I've been saying for 2 expansions now: We should not redeem Sylvanas in any way that does not first involve a large bladed weapon and a neck.

It's not vengeance. Justice.



(and yeah I've played the Uther chapter where he thinks back on this, but that's still posthumous. No one's regretting stopping the Lich King from conquering the world into a zombified hellscape....except me, that prepatch event was pretty fun.)

Well but we will redeem her. That Anduin cutsene underlines it. And well basically everything else did since shadowlands started.
Ya gonna swallow that pill, no way to dodge it

[MORGATH99]

what does sylvanas say before going to sleep

[Destructor]

what does sylvanas say before going to sleep

She told that without the compass Jailer and Anduin will lose their way to the Sepulcher, so the patch 9.1.5 will be delayed at least 5 months.

[Powerogue]

Well but we will redeem her. That Anduin cutsene underlines it. And well basically everything else did since shadowlands started.
Ya gonna swallow that pill, no way to dodge it

If they want to compare her suffering to Arthas's and Uther's, then she can get the opportunity that Uther deprived Arthas of:

Posthumous redemption through suffering.

Revendreth. With a bonus quest for night elves and Venthyr giving the opportunity to stab her with hot pokers.

[Mic_128]

Problem is rampant in the entire warcraft universe, the usual brain cell count of a warcraft character is roughly about one. Mouth-breathers the whole lot of them

Annoyingly, that also includes the player character. Seeing Gul'dan helpless, being used to power the Dark Portal for the Iron Horde, there was no reason to free him instead of just killing him right there and then.

[ilgynoth]

If they want to compare her suffering to Arthas's and Uther's, then she can get the opportunity that Uther deprived Arthas of:

Posthumous redemption through suffering.

Revendreth. With a bonus quest for night elves and Venthyr giving the opportunity to stab her with hot pokers.

Yeah I get it that that's how you would prefer it to play out. Realistically? You know it, I do, most of the people here do, ain't happen.
However, she obviously won't get a full redemption like where everyone forgives her and she joins the Horde back, duuh, obviously not.
It will be a typical "I fix the shit I did" redemption arc, where she may or may not sacrifice herself, which will make also not a difference since Blizzard will keep this character in the franchise and put her into a role where they can bring her back at some point - just like with Illidan.

[Powerogue]

Yeah I get it that that's how you would prefer it to play out. Realistically? You know it, I do, most of the people here do, ain't happen.
However, she obviously won't get a full redemption like where everyone forgives her and she joins the Horde back, duuh, obviously not.
It will be a typical "I fix the shit I did" redemption arc, where she may or may not sacrifice herself, which will make also not a difference since Blizzard will keep this character in the franchise and put her into a role where they can bring her back at some point - just like with Illidan.

I mean you're probably right, but I don't know how it would play out. I feel like I'm right in assuming "selfishly motivated final sacrifice" won't be it, if only because Garrosh already did it just this patch.

"Working alongside her to defeat the Jailer" doesn't really feel like it fits either, considering we still have her imprisoned. For the motifs of compassion and understanding this expansion, we've still got plenty of emphasis on everything Sylvanas has done wrong for two expansions and a call ringing throughout for justice to be served. She needs punished somehow, not just out of wishful thinking but to fulfil the story beats that have been emphasized since BFA and Shadows Rising.

Revendreth is the only thing I can think of that would allow her to be both punished for what she did wrong and given an opportunity for redemption that they seem so eager to do. The only other loose ends I can think of that could change that game are "What if Arthas shows up?" and "Given what he's experienced, what would Anduin do if/once we free him from the Jailer?" Because if there's anyone I think would be given the final call right now, it would be him, now that they've sidelined Tyrande.

And before you think Goodest Boy Golden Child Anduin would never punish her, Before the Storm by Christie Golden, last page:

""I will never, ever stop hoping for peace." he said. His voice trembled with leashed emotion. "I have seen too much good in too many people to paint them all as evil and worthy of slaughter. And I will also never stop believing that people can change. But I realize now that I've been like a farmer expecting to harvest crops from a poisoned field. It's simply not possible."

"People can change," Anduin repeated. "But some people will never-never-desire to do so. Sylvanas Windrunner is one of those." He took a deep breath. Sorrow and grim resolve made him look older. Genn and seen similar expressions on the faces of those who had been tasked with heartbreaking duty.

When the boy spoke, Genn was glad of the words but saddened by his need to say them. "I believe," Said Anduin Llane Wrynn, "that Sylvanas Windrunner is well and truly lost."

[Dartz1979]

The best route for blizzard to do is have a redemption arc for sylvanas and at end she reunites with her other two sisters and the form the new faction sisters of the elune and as a quest reward for completing we get high elf as a playable allied race.

[Mehrunes]

Ah yes "blue man boring" but Illidan is soooooo interesting.....ok...

At this point I'm thoroughly convinced that the people sitting and saying "amg bad writing" and basically spewing the same nonsense are only doing it because they heard someone else say it and they're trying to be with the crowd. They can't explain or support anything they lob without saying "unfun" or "boring" and when asked to expand they use equally similar responses that lack substance as to why or easily dismantled reasons. It is in fact trolling at this point and is out of control.

This post is fun. First of all, the only nonsense here is the post you latched onto to support your vision that the writing in WoW is stellar, because it straw-manned the hell out of @Jshadowhunter's post it was replying to. Nowhere in that post did they express any confusion about what is going on (and, by the looks of it, your hero continued with completely off-point replies in their subsequent exchange with @Nerovar). The actual complaint there was the pacing and the cliffhangers. Which doesn't require any further explanation as it's rather self-explanatory. Yet the both of you still somehow missed it...

But the fact you replied to @Super Dickmann in the same post makes it even more fun. Let's even put aside the part where you introduced a nonsensical straw-man of your own and projected it onto someone who's been critical of Illidan to say the least. The reason for that is that it makes your remarks about how dem evil haters (or trolls now, apparently) can't substantiate their posts rather ironic.

Because not only has Super Dickmann written pretty much pages of essays explaining their position on the Jailer by now, but the last time you contested their view on the Jailer with accusations that they don't even play the game (the fact that it's your fellow defender of Blizzard's supposed writing brilliance that doesn't play the game gets bonus points), multiple posters actually asked you to substantiate your position, only for you to disappear like a fart in the wind. I even made a forum search to see if you provided any explanation - easily dismantled or otherwise - in other threads, but nope. It was just more short jabs at the hate crowd that refuses to see the Jailer for what he "really" is.

And before you think Goodest Boy Golden Child Anduin would never punish her, Before the Storm by Christie Golden, last page:

""I will never, ever stop hoping for peace." he said. His voice trembled with leashed emotion. "I have seen too much good in too many people to paint them all as evil and worthy of slaughter. And I will also never stop believing that people can change. But I realize now that I've been like a farmer expecting to harvest crops from a poisoned field. It's simply not possible."

"People can change," Anduin repeated. "But some people will never-never-desire to do so. Sylvanas Windrunner is one of those." He took a deep breath. Sorrow and grim resolve made him look older. Genn and seen similar expressions on the faces of those who had been tasked with heartbreaking duty.

When the boy spoke, Genn was glad of the words but saddened by his need to say them. "I believe," Said Anduin Llane Wrynn, "that Sylvanas Windrunner is well and truly lost."

Except Anduin himself went back on that premise in SL and tried to talk no jutsu her again on multiple occasions.