Originally Posted by
Mehrunes
And since you can't pay attention, the shopkeepers in questions did not reside in the Sunreaver Enclave. Their shops were in the neutral central plaza of the city. Making the remarks about what the Sunreavers in the Sunreaver Enclave were doing immaterial to them. That is a fact. Likewise, Vereesa not saying anything about the shopkeepers engaging in any aggression is also a fact. So spare me your desperate remarks about be being blinded to facts because of my "Horde fanaticism", because you don't have a shred of credibility to making such accusations. Instead you're only climbing the peaks of irony with them.
To make your narrative collapse on itself even more than it already did, your claim that the the Nowhere to Hide quest that you quoted happens before the shopkeeper one is a an outright lie. Those quests happen concurrently and you can finish them in any order (meaning that when fighting was taking place at the Enclave, Vereesa mentioned nothing of the sort happening in the trade district at the same time). Which causes your already non-existent credibility to somehow sink even lower. Congrats on this tremendous achievement, I guess.
No, I'm trying to "delude" myself into thinking that when a zealous anti-Sunreaver lunatic like Vereesa doesn't mention anything about the shopkeepers in question engaging in violence even though there was fighting happening on in other areas at the same time and outright questions Jaina's decisions in regards to them then there's squat supporting the notion that they engaged in any violence. And yes, a group built on their hatred of Sunreavers (the Silver Covenant was created in response to Aethas convincing the Kirin Tor to let the Blood Elves back in) and whose members were feeding people to a shark during the very same questline was totally against slaughtering randoms. Because their characters were simply beyond reproach.
Yes, people raising their weapons in defense when faced with a zealous militia that had no legal standing in the power structure of Dalaran, enforcing an illegal order as Jaina had no authority to perform the Purge without the assent of the rest of the Council of Six is indeed not them attacking. The fact that you need that explained is rather sad. Sad, but not surprising. What's next, you'll tell me that Aethas guards that Jaina killed also "attacked" her by simply raising their weapons?
Except what the Alliance was doing specifically in the Horde camp was immaterial to their objective of them keeping the operation secret. The Alliance could have been having dance parties there and the Horde objective would have remained the same: make the operation secret again by removing those that learned of the secret. Meanwhile the potential previous engagement with the Horde was not immaterial to the Alliance. It was of vital importance to the Alliance character, who should have been made aware that the Alliance spying operation had already been made and that the Horde was on a high alert. Yet nothing of the sort happened. Gee, I wonder why.
Besides, like I already mentioned, it was a Horde camp, making the Alliance operatives there intruders and putting them in the wrong. Meanwhile the Horde has all the right in the world to dispose of foreign agents trespassing in their outposts. So even if your take made any logical sense, which it does not, it still wouldn't have vindicated the Alliance.
And? He's addressing a hypothetical Alliance presence in context of the secrecy of their operation. He doesn't mention any such occurrence actually taking place. Dafuq is that supposed to prove other than the fact that you apparently don't understand what the word "if" means?
Yet another warning about potential events that doesn't establish any actual fighting taking place. But hey, if you can't spot a hypothetical that outright contains the word "if" I guess you can't be expected to spot out one that does not.
Because the estimates of some random Gnome are the truth of the world? Oh, whoopsie, the Alliance was repeatedly surprised about the scope of the Horde's interest in Silithus and the amount of resources they had been sending there in both Before the Storm and Elegy. It seems the guesswork by said random Gnome turned out not to pan out.
What does the ability to travel faster have anything to do with anything? There's not a single word uttered about how long it took either side to travel there or the initial quests taking place at the same exact time. Never mind that you can simply take a portal to Silithus.
Yes, a Horde mining site is totally not a part of their camp. I guess you need an actual sign saying "camp" for it to register as a camp in your mind. Because the multiple structures erected across the mining area didn't seem to do the trick.
Also, I didn't say a word about Silithus being Horde territory. I said that Horde camp in Silithus was Horde territory. And even the Horde camp in the zone before Sargeras scorched the region was never contested, even though the Alliance complained aplenty about Horde incursions into Night Elven lands since Vanilla. Because the zone was contested since Vanilla and the only Night Elven presence in the zone came from neutral Druids. And even that presence was wiped out by Sargeras.
On top of that, while I didn't say anything about Horde owning the entirety of Silithus, the Alliance leaders - Tyrande and Malfurion included - flat out discussed the prospect of the Horde claiming the entirety of Silithus. And would you look at that, not a single one of them raised any issue about the zone already being owned by them, making the potential Horde claim invalid or an act of aggression. Not one of them phrased the Night Elf expedition as protecting an Alliance zone from a Horde invasion. Instead they talked about protecting their interests because they were afraid of Horde monopolizing Azerite and Tyrande herself mentioned that Night Elves are prepared to establish a foothold in the zone. Yup, top notch Alliance territory you got there. So Alliance they didn't even have a foothold.
Yes, the High Elves that weren't mentioned in the OP don't count to the premise of the OP. Complicated concept fer sure. Also, being told back to the place you came from does not equal being banished, because words mean things. Another complicated apparently. At least for some people. In the same vein, when Lor'themar actually talked about kicking Alleria out, he did so in context of Silvermoon instead of Quel'Thalas as a whole. Which is what you mentioned. Quoted word for word, even. Yet you couldn't understand what you were quoting. Making your reasons for quoting it curious indeed.