Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Makabreska]

JFC I hate Sergei Lavrov

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarV...eb2x&context=3

This prick claims the invasion "isn't an invasion," that they had to do it to show the west that "Ukraine joining NATO is a criminal act" and that the war crimes and massacres are just "fake news."

What a piece of shit.

Opinions not unlike those from certain other posters here. But Lavrov at this point is little more than a talking head. He does not takes initiative in creating Russian international politics, and when he does, Putler has to intervene to correct his shit (like with Israel). They are all in the same basket, singing same tune. The good thing is that this singing is increasingly powerless and impotent.

[Shrouded]

JFC I hate Sergei Lavrov

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarV...eb2x&context=3

This prick claims the invasion "isn't an invasion," that they had to do it to show the west that "Ukraine joining NATO is a criminal act" and that the war crimes and massacres are just "fake news."

What a piece of shit.

I saw that too. It's like they're cycling through justifications for the invasion from one day to the next. Is it about NATO? Ukrainian Nazis? Protecting seperatists from Kiyv aggression? Perhaps it's about Russian empire-building? Demilitarization? Maybe they pick from a hat every morning for the justification of the day, just to keep things spicy.

And yes, Lavrov is a horrible excuse for a human being.

[Ulmita]

Because sometimes you need to do what is right.

Agreed but in the meantime not exterminate your own low income citizens. What is the plan here? I really don't get it.

[Gorsameth]

It's really not. The Allies had bases in and around Axis countries for decades. The USA helped rebuild Japan from the ground up and turned them into one of our closest allies. Tens of thousands of civilians have been killed, more have been abducted from their homes and taken to Russia, and whole cities have been destroyed. This (demanding reparations and a change of how Russia does things) isn't remotely "vengeance" nor is it "grossly disproportionate".

The axis powers surrendered. Russia is not going to surrender, no one is going to push this conflict beyond Russia leaving Ukraine.
No one is going to make Russia change how it acts and behaves and I wouldn't get your hopes up for reparations either.
The moment Russia is out of Ukraine countries are going to silently start lifting sanctions and pretend this whole war never happened.

[YUPPIE]

The moment Russia is out of Ukraine

not going to happen. People underestimate this situation as it is, Putin has cornered himself into an "all or nothing" scenario. If he surrenders, he's going to die. And he knows it. So all he can do is march forward.

[gondrin]

Source on Russia sending in their "competent elite forces"

I would picture it as a Benny Hill sketch.

[Kallisto]

Come to Germany. We don't care.

Don't give away my summer vacation plans!

[DarkTZeratul]

This (demanding reparations and a change of how Russia does things) isn't remotely "vengeance" nor is it "grossly disproportionate".

"Reparations and a change of how Russia does things" isn't what YUPPIE was asking for, though. His exact words were "They HAVE to pay for everything they've done for the next 50 years or so, maybe even a hundred or more." Fucking over another country for a century is grossly disproportionate vengeance.

[The Stormbringer]

"Reparations and a change of how Russia does things" isn't what YUPPIE was asking for, though. His exact words were "They HAVE to pay for everything they've done for the next 50 years or so, maybe even a hundred or more." Fucking over another country for a century is grossly disproportionate vengeance.

"They have to pay for what they did" = reparations and reform. What do you think he's advocating, jailing the Russian people? Disbanding their government? Cutting them off from all forms of outside trade or aid?

[Combatbutler]

"They have to pay for what they did" = reparations and reform. What do you think he's advocating, jailing the Russian people? Disbanding their government? Cutting them off from all forms of outside trade or aid?

Yuppie? Would advocate genocide no doubt.

OT

Reparations are in order, what these entail is up to what Ukraine wants and what they think they can get at the end of this.

[szechuan]

China is building bridges with Russia to alleviate western economic Sanctions.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-61767303

[Iphie]

China is building bridges with Russia to alleviate western economic Sanctions.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-61767303

You don't build a bridge in two days, I'm sure this was already underway for a while, so I doubt the sanctions really played a part.

[Gorsameth]

China is building bridges with Russia to alleviate western economic Sanctions.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-61767303

yes... in 4 months they planned and build a bridge to help Russia...

[Kallisto]

A bridge like that takes 3-4 years to build and be tested, certainly not something built-in 3-4 months

[Santti]

25% of ALL tanks is probably exaggerating as they had 12000 or so in storage. Then again, if that is meant to include those then it might be AFTER inventory to see which still run. (spoiler, a LOT of those are just rustbuckets.)

But if the source is English then I wouldn't mind a link?

I'd imagine many of their tanks have been cannibalized for spare parts, as well.

[Iphie]

I'd imagine many of their tanks have been cannibalized for spare parts, as well.

I'm sure that happened as well. Still, 25-30% is A LOT. (not saying I don't want it to be real I'm just cautious as I don't want to get false hope up.)

[PhaelixWW]

I'm sure that happened as well. Still, 25-30% is A LOT. (not saying I don't want it to be real I'm just cautious as I don't want to get false hope up.)

Keep in mind that they weren't talking about tanks specifically. They meant armored vehicles as a whole, which includes a lot more than tanks. Oryx has close to 800 tanks and roughly 1500 other armored vehicles listed as casualties for Russia. And that's very unlikely to be close to a full accounting of their losses.

[Iphie]

Keep in mind that they weren't talking about tanks specifically. They meant armored vehicles as a whole, which includes a lot more than tanks. Oryx has close to 800 tanks and roughly 1500 other armored vehicles listed as casualties for Russia. And that's very unlikely to be close to a full accounting of their losses.

That makes much more sense, I was responding to Flarelaine who said the russians had lost 25% of ALL their tanks not just those they sent to Ukraine.

Speaking of numbers, I read today that some BTGs can can not even muster 30 soldiers and are still sent into battle. as we know a BTG should have between 600-800 men. (numbers from the MoD of the UK.)

[PhaelixWW]

That makes much more sense, I was responding to Flarelaine who said the russians had lost 25% of ALL their tanks not just those they sent to Ukraine.

Speaking of numbers, I read today that some BTGs can can not even muster 30 soldiers and are still sent into battle. as we know a BTG should have between 600-800 men. (numbers from the MoD of the UK.)

Theoretically, they sent in about 75% of their available military force, so there's not as much difference between 25% of the invasion force and 25% of the total force, but I believe the Pentagon was indeed referencing the latter.

[Corvus]

The 20-30% was of the total prewar active tank force, which stood at around 3300 tanks. 1200 were sent into Ukraine.

Almost 800 have been verified as lost already, so the real number will be higher. If it is 1000, which isn't that unlikely, that is 30% just there. It could easily be higher.

While Russia does have a lot of tanks in storage, all evidence is that they aren't being stored well, which combined with corruption leads to only a very small number actually being in a usable state. There is a reason they were pulling t62s out of storage to use.