Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Makabreska]

To add. Russia is being sanctioned for their genocide. Russia also is the one who decided to separately blackmail the world and Europe with food sabotage (via ukrainian grain ships) and Russia also decided to cut off gas because their war machine-benefitting methods were not accepted regarding payments etc.

The blame solely lies on Russia, but many countries namely in Africa don't see the big picture - easy to blame the entity who resists an aggressor via sanctions when this shit happens far from them - instead of blaming the entity who directly is responsible for various crisises.

Russia has been spreading it's influence in Africa for quite some time, throwing money at countries and giving them support. So it is no surprise, really.

[Saradain]

I am not at all saying we should not break economic ties with Russia. But let's not pretend this is not going to be a painful winter for a lot of people, and far more painful in some countries than others.

Here's hoping the nations with the harshest winter conditions will introduce protective methods for their citizens. But people of those nations hardly will suddenly just literally die over the winter directly because of the cold, or whatever the hell russian trolls want ignorant people to believe.

It's gonna fucking suck for sure. One year in not-so-distant future all Europe will be free of Russia-dependency.

[Iphie]

Russia has been spreading it's influence in Africa for quite some time, throwing money at countries and giving them support. So it is no surprise, really.

Not just that, russia is seen as the successor of the USSR which sponsored a LOT of independence movements in Africa, more than a few dictators came to power thanks to that. Additionally, a lot of Africans don't look further than: "they never colonized us, they're the good guys.", of course had Peter the Great not died then Madagascar might have had a different opinion.

[Kallisto]

Not just that, russia is seen as the successor of the USSR which sponsored a LOT of independence movements in Africa, more than a few dictators came to power thanks to that. Additionally, a lot of Africans don't look further than: "they never colonized us, they're the good guys.", of course had Peter the Great not died then Madagascar might have had a different opinion.

This is where the west should team with Kazakhstan pointing out that for a few days the USSR existed in Kazakhstan while the Russian federation existed. In essence saying that as Kazakhstan was the last place to leave the USSR they are the true heirs and successors.

[Yunru]

Meanwhile as counter to rising electricity costs, Finland is introducing a VAT discount for electricity while adding a form of welfare specifically targetting people who may have hard times paying for electricity. Which is not really a big issue. What comes to heating, Finland pretty much imports 100% of its gas from Russia, but less than 10% of the finnish households actually rely on gas for heating.

Russian fantasy of bringing Europe to it's knees the coming winter is a result of their fucked up world view - most of them living in piss poor conditions, without basic necessities like indoor plumbing (lacking that in 20% of the russian households), without the ability to fathom the plentiness most europeans live in (hence why they steal home appliances etc en masse like they would be products of luxury) - so they believe that gas/electricity price would somehow make Europe scream in terror in practical everyday life during the winter, with people freezing to death.

Amusing, really, when seeing russian shitposters spreading this freezing winter panic myth on various places. Poor things.

Here are politicans talking abauth giving 200 euro extra for electricity/gas/wood cost to people who need it to be ready for winter.

[Gabriel]

I have very little sympathy for the people that fell for the stock exchange electricity price meme.

[Fuiking]

Here are politicans talking abauth giving 200 euro extra for electricity/gas/wood cost to people who need it to be ready for winter.

Here they will.. coming 1st of january at the earliest because they couldnt ''We have no options/ways nor infrastructure (IT) to assist our population'' Yet they could make a new tax/increase tax within a month.. but giving money to people? HAHAHAH... computer says no.


France, belgium, Germany? bang! within a month something was done, netherlands? always computer says ''No''.

[jonnysensible]

oryx list visually confirming russia has lost 1000 tanks (at least).

Thats alot of dead cunts too.

[Iphie]

oryx list visually confirming russia has lost 1000 tanks (at least).

Thats alot of dead cunts too.

3 crew per, jack in the box turrets, discounting a few lucky gits, 2700+ sounds reasonable?

[Ripster42]

oryx list visually confirming russia has lost 1000 tanks (at least).

Thats alot of dead cunts too.

About 1/12th of their total supply, including old/inoperable tanks.

[Poopymonster]

3 crew per, jack in the box turrets, discounting a few lucky gits, 2700+ sounds reasonable?

Some of those tanks were abandoned remember, zero grechins or grots lost.

[Iphie]

Some of those tanks were abandoned remember, zero grechins or grots lost.

Yeah, but does Oryx count those as well or only those that are destroyed?

[Poopymonster]

Yeah, but does Oryx count those as well or only those that are destroyed?

JohnnyS posted "lost" not "destroyed". No link to double check.

[jonnysensible]

Yeah, but does Oryx count those as well or only those that are destroyed?

https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/0...equipment.html

Tanks (1002, of which destroyed: 620, damaged: 42, abandoned: 51, captured: 289)


thats just tanks pretty significant losses. russia supposively has 20k tanks but 2800 deployed atm. The condition of the rest of them is a big unknown but given russian corruption probably not good.

[Ihavewaffles]

oryx list visually confirming russia has lost 1000 tanks (at least).

Thats alot of dead cunts too.

Oryx who? Why not write 10k while u are at it. If u fantasize hard enough, maybe u can keep warm this winter?

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https://www.facebook.com/GeneralStaf...8kyXuJizURzw5l

2 Sep, 2022 17:04
https://www.rt.com/russia/562082-ukr...s-bombing-npp/

Ukraine admits shelling area around nuclear plant

The Ukrainian military publicly admitted striking the area around the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant in an official General Staff briefing on Friday. Previously, Kiev had claimed that Russian forces used the plant as a military base; now it says all troops have relocated due to the visit by IAEA inspectors.

“In the areas of the settlements of Kherson and Energodar, accurate strikes by our troops destroyed three enemy artillery systems, as well as an ammunition depot and up to a company of personnel,” said the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine during the daily briefing.

The military also claimed that, due to the arrival of the IAEA inspection team, the Russian “occupiers removed all military equipment from the territory of the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant. About 100 units moved to the plant ‘Atom Energomash’ and the rest were dispersed in the nearest settlements.”

Energodar and the Zaporozhye facility have been under Russian control since early March, and functioned without problems until drone and artillery attacks began in July. Kiev has argued that the shelling was a false-flag operation by Moscow to make Ukraine look bad, but also that Russia was using the plant as a base for heavy artillery and equipment.

Moscow has consistently denied the accusations, saying that only lightly armed guards were deployed at the facility to ensure its security. On Friday, Russian Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu said Ukrainian claims that Moscow was using the facility to attack Ukrainian positions “with long-range artillery systems” were “blatant lies.”

“I state with confidence that we do not have heavy weapons at the territory of the nuclear power stations and in adjacent neighborhoods,” Shoigu said at a meeting in Moscow, adding that he hoped the IAEA inspectors would testify to this as well.

Shoigu also said there have been 29 attacks against the Zaporozhye facility since July 18, involving 120 artillery projectiles and 16 kamikaze drones.

The IAEA mission arrived at Europe’s largest nuclear power plant on Thursday, led by agency chief Rafael Grossi personally. Grossi said the IAEA planned to have a “continued presence” on the site. As the IAEA team was en route, a group of Ukrainian commandos used boats to land in Energodar and attempted to storm the power plant. Their goal, according to the Russian Defense Ministry, was to use the IAEA inspectors as “human shields.” However, Russian troops destroyed both the initial strike group and its reinforcements.

[Saradain]

Oh look who's back. With RT as source. No point even trying to counter the hard-stuck propaganda

[zealo]

That you regard Russia Today as a reliable source explains quite a lot about why your views are so full of misinformation.

[P for Pancetta]

Oryx

Oryx is a group of journalists that collect data about the war, and they only add to their list if there is visual evidence of the destroyed vehicle. You can look it up online, for every vehicle there is information about what vehicle it is, where it was destroyed and sometimes a short history of where it's been. They also disprove and show evidence when pictures/claimed kills are from other conflicts or times.

So their number is by the definition of their method a low estimation of the actual amount of destroyed vehicles.

[Makabreska]

Oryx is a group of people that collect data about the war, and they only add to their list if there is visual evidence of the destroyed vehicle. You can look it up online, for every vehicle there is information about what vehicle it is, where it was destroyed and sometimes a short history of where it's been.

So their number is by the definition of their method a low estimation of the actual amount of destroyed vehicles.

Futile. Guy you respond to is a lesser Shilcker version spewing 1:1 dumb propaganda for Russian masses and not realizing it's not working here.

[Ihavewaffles]

Oryx is a group of journalists that collect data about the war, and they only add to their list if there is visual evidence of the destroyed vehicle. You can look it up online, for every vehicle there is information about what vehicle it is, where it was destroyed and sometimes a short history of where it's been. They also disprove and show evidence when pictures/claimed kills are from other conflicts or times.

So their number is by the definition of their method a low estimation of the actual amount of destroyed vehicles.

How many of those pictures are ukr vehicles? How many are even in that warzone? You throw 1k vehicles number n think ill just trust u? Lol?