Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Veggie50]

Nobody wants a situation where that theory gets tested for how valid it is, but regardless I don't think Russia is about to resort to nukes so long as the war remains within the borders of pre 2014 at large.

Russian nuclear doctrine centres more on maintaining the integrity of the state apparatus, and not so much directly about territory in what in practise is peripheral regions in importance.

We could argue all day about what Russias doctrine is, but I would argue Russias doctrine at this point is irrelevent, it’s all upto Putin on wether or not he’d give the order and I doubt he would feel restrained by doctrine or tradition.

While I agree that it would be better for my theory not to be testes, per murphys law, someday it will be. My bet is that when Russia disintegrates (when, not if) we’ll find out the new states don’t have any workable nuclear weapons to divvy up.

And that makes sense. Because of three facts.

1) maintenance of nuclear weapons is bloody expensive
2) russia is the poster boy for corruption
3) should the corruption ever be found out, it would have been the end of the world anyway

[YUPPIE]

Unpredictable, sure… dangerous? Russia is less dangerous than north korea at the moment…

they are very dangerous though, in their capacity for limitless evil and cruelty that doesn't even concern nukes. The fact they casually rape, torture, and murder civilians and children in the most heinous ways imaginable makes them fit the definition of dangerous

[Voidism]

I'm concerned that Sweden isn't giving more weapons and aid. I thought my country would be more active in this, but we're being outrun by pretty much everyone else - even countries with no military industry (something we very much have).

Anyone have any insights or theories?

[Iphie]

I'm concerned that Sweden isn't giving more weapons and aid. I thought my country would be more active in this, but we're being outrun by pretty much everyone else - even countries with no military industry (something we very much have).

Anyone have any insights or theories?

Don't you guys train Ukrainian soldiers in the UK?

[Veggie50]

Don't you guys train Ukrainian soldiers in the UK?

Ehh… sweden is not the uk o.o

[zealo]

Ehh… sweden is not the uk o.o

It is taking part in training ukrainians in the UK, Sweden sent instructors there.

https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/va...gsinstruktoren

[Iphie]

It is taking part in training ukrainians in the UK, Sweden sent instructors there.

https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/va...gsinstruktoren

Thanks for that, I had thought that my answer wouldn't be misread, but there you go.

So yes, @Veggie50, Sweden is training Ukrainians soldiers in the UK.

[Voidism]

Don't you guys train Ukrainian soldiers in the UK?

Sure, but that's not military hardware. :P

[Iphie]

Sure, but that's not military hardware. :P

Don't discount proper training.

[YUPPIE]

ukraine has just ruled out any possible talks for a ceasefire after kherson

[Gabriel]

ukraine has just ruled out any possible talks for a ceasefire after kherson

Good for them.

[Corvus]

A ceasefire only benefits russia, not Ukraine. russia is desperate for a ceasefire.

In other news, Lavrovtory went to the g20 in putins place. Indonesian authorities are saying he was rushed to hospital for a check up after experiencing heart issues. russia are denying it, which means it happened.

[YUPPIE]

it feel as though ukraine is emboldened since the last few months. As in they don't give a fuck about any nuclear or WMD rhetoric Russia has anymore and they have no more mercy or quarter. Their attacks on Russians have also escalated in unwavering brutality and ruthlessness.

[DarkAmbient]

it feel as though ukraine is emboldened since the last few months. As in they don't give a fuck about any nuclear or WMD rhetoric Russia has anymore and they have no more mercy or quarter. Their attacks on Russians have also escalated in unwavering brutality and ruthlessness.

Won't somebody please think of the invaders

[enigma77]

ukraine has just ruled out any possible talks for a ceasefire after kherson

good why would you want a ceasefire or hollow peace talks when you are WINNING and WINNING BIG? the only reason the russians want a ceasefire/peace talks is because they're losing and desperately need time to try to strengthen their crumbling forces, which they will not get

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it feel as though ukraine is emboldened since the last few months. As in they don't give a fuck about any nuclear or WMD rhetoric Russia has anymore and they have no more mercy or quarter. Their attacks on Russians have also escalated in unwavering brutality and ruthlessness.

everybody knows putin's nuclear saber rattling is empty talk, nuclear escalation by russia is suicide for russia

russia is exceedingly unlikely to commit suicide because ukraine is retaking ukrainian lands that russia illegally occupies, for the moment

also given russia's comprehensive corruption it wouldn't surprise me if most or all russian nukes don't even work

[jonnysensible]

Their attacks on Russians have also escalated in unwavering brutality and ruthlessness.

How so, looks pretty standard to me? Especially compared to the way the Russians have conducting themselves.

[YUPPIE]

How so, looks pretty standard to me? Especially compared to the way the Russians have conducting themselves.

they dont really take prisoners anymore past unwavering surrender. If a Russian is dismembered and squealing from a missile strike, he'll just be bombed again. I don't think the Russians are seen as human anymore warranting pity or mercy in the eyes of the Ukrainians.

[Lathspell]

it feel as though ukraine is emboldened since the last few months. As in they don't give a fuck about any nuclear or WMD rhetoric Russia has anymore and they have no more mercy or quarter. Their attacks on Russians have also escalated in unwavering brutality and ruthlessness.

Maybe Russian soldiers should leave Ukraine, just like they left Kherson, if they don't want to be attacked brutally and ruthlessly.

[YUPPIE]

Maybe Russian soldiers should leave Ukraine, just like they left Kherson, if they don't want to be attacked brutally and ruthlessly.

they, or more specifically putin, explicitly said they'll never surrender so we can rule that out

[jonnysensible]

they dont really take prisoners anymore past unwavering surrender. If a Russian is dismembered and squealing from a missile strike, he'll just be bombed again. I don't think the Russians are seen as human anymore warranting pity or mercy in the eyes of the Ukrainians.

they go to great lengths to take prisoners (that russian soldier trapped under the rubble the pulled out being one of the more recent ones that went viral). Yea in war you kill people?